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Hi everyone,

I am new to this forum, and look forward to being a regular.

I own a XaGt Hardtop, which is currently undergoing a ground up restoration.
I would like as much advice and opinions, on an engine combo that will give me approx 380-400HP. I will be using the original engine. I dont want to rev it past 6000-6200max. I am thinking of running a hydrualic cam, however i have not ruled out a solid. It will also have a Edelbrock Performer manifold (Dual Plane) , 780 Holley, Closed chamber 4V heads, possibly with tongues (if recommended and required) , standard storke and crank, standard rods with rod bolts,Hyperutectic Pistons+20, Extractors, Twin 2.5 inch exhaust, and X pipe. I is backed by a Toploader and 3.5 nine inch.

Does anyone know of a true and tried combo, similar to the above, that will produce good torque, and around400HP?

I would appreciate all suggestions.

Thanks heaps,

Spazz.
 

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Have a look @ the Blueracer cams that Crane sells. I know the largest Hyd listed will do your 380hp figure. Your only pit fall is you manifold and carb will hurt hp but torque will be good. A crane F238 solid cam will the figures you want easily too. It'll max rpm @ 6200-6300rpm. The downfall of the solid is your in the realms of a diff ratio change.

Make sure he carb you have isn't a spreadbore. The squarebores in my experience work better on a cleveland. Better torque down low.
 

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Cheers Brenx.

The carb is a 780 square bore. Have heard solids are a bit more reliable than hydraulics though? I also want a rough idle, i hate water pump style idles.The F238 sounds the go. Would it still work with 4V heads?

Cheers Spazz
 

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If your leaning toward the F238 you'll need to change the diff gears. 3.5's borderline with the hydraulic cam but passable. 3.5's just won't work well with an F238. 4.11's work well with them. Combo's for F238's are 3500/4000rpm stall and 4.11's. It'll work with the 4V's just fine. This combo means you'll probably end up spending more than you'd like.

The hydaulic cam I know works well with a 3000rpm covertor and 3.7's. 3.5's will be fine though. I'd be going this way if your going to drive it a lot. This combo works with what you have. This one has a lumpy idle :hy:

Another 400-450hp combo that is very common with 4V's is Crane F246/4500rpm convertor and 4.11 gears. It's a reliable combo but with todays fuel prices it's expensive.

Once you start getting into solid camshafts you have to make sure the fuel system can keep up. Even more $.
 

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What about port tongues? I plan only to clean up the heads, and maybe put some decent single groove valves in them. Do you think i would benefit from the tongues, or are they not worht the hassle?

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What bits and pieces do you have now?

This is my combination and there are a few others on this forum with a very similar combination. With a manual and 3.5:1 diff ratio, this combination has heaps of vacuum to run the brakes. It will pull from idle like a stock 351C does with a 3:1 diff ratio. It will pull away from idle in 3rd gear with no hesitation. It will allow gear changes at 6500rpm. Top speed with 3.5 gears is about 230 km/h. Fuel economy is comparable to a stock 351C. Basically this is a have your cake and eat it combination.

351c
Hypatech hypereutectic pistons
Moly rings
Torque plate hone
Zero deck
C.O.M.E. CLS138 solid camshaft (Crane F238 is a similar alternative, but not as good)
Single valve springs (if using the CLS138)
Yella Terra Bolt on adjustable rockers
302C heads, home ported, single piece valves.
10.3:1 Compression
Parker Funnelweb
Holley 750HP (jets are right out of the box)
MSD 6AL (mainly for the rev limiter, set at a minimum of 6500rpm)
Pacemaker Tri Y's (easy to pick up 2nd hand)
Dyno tune - carb jetting and distributor curve
Upgraded fuel line and pump.
 

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What sort of horsepower/torque is it making?

My combo will be similar, although im running a performer manifold , and 11.0:1 comp,780holley,and 4v heads. I want to make sure the combo i choose will work well with 4V 's. I am also leaning towards Try y's .
 

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So do you have 4V heads and a Performer manifold, or were you planning on purchasing them? If so are the heads ported and they have one piece valves?
 

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My combo of:
4V closed chamber heads with stock ports, around F238 sized cam, torker manifold with 1" spacer 750DP and pacemaker 4:1's made 442HP on an engine dyno.
 

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Sounds sweet, I will probably go the same, just a performer manifold and 780 holley instead. What exhaust did you run for that sort of grunt? I am also going to use a toploader. Did it feel strong on the street?
 

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Alky,

Have you used that cam? If so what sort of grunt did it make, and what did it sound like? Was it reliable?
 

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I would probably sell the Performer and purchase a Parker manifold as well as port stuffers. I would then use a solid camshaft in the 230 degree @ 0.050" range such as a CLS-138 or F238.
 

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spazz said:
Sounds sweet, I will probably go the same, just a performer manifold and 780 holley instead. What exhaust did you run for that sort of grunt? I am also going to use a toploader. Did it feel strong on the street?
I run a toploader and 3.7's, it feels very strong, id go single plane manifold like a torker or even maybe a TFC or Parker with a solid cam like an F238 and 4:1's not tri y's.
Mine made max power @ 6100 rpm.
I use a twin 2 1/2 with straight through muffler.
Port fillers are a good idea if you're chasing more bottom end, although gearing helps too!
 

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Alky,

Have you used that cam? If so what sort of grunt did it make, and what did it sound like? Was it reliable?
Spazz have used this cam in a few cars not only fords ,very reliable can be driven daliy(if you have the money for juice) never dynoed one but went 12.64 108 in XY street car 3000 stall 3.7 diff 26"MT street radial
 

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Alky,

Sounds good. What did it sound like? I want a roughish idle. What else was done to the engine,eg Stroker,Comp, 2V or 4V, Carbie , Exhaust?


Cheers Spazz
 

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spazz said:
Alky,

Sounds good. What did it sound like? I want a roughish idle. What else was done to the engine,eg Stroker,Comp, 2V or 4V, Carbie , Exhaust?


Cheers Spazz
std stroke 11.1 comp 2v (big rework) 825 demon carbie TFC manifold (reworked) pacemaker 4 into 1
 
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