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HOLDEN will launch its VXII range of hot Commodores at the Sydney motor show - but don't expect the range-topping 300kW GTS to be there.
HSV is not expected to launch the VXII GTS until March next year when it should be boosted by a four-speed automatic gearbox - previously only a six-speed manual was available - more power from the Gen III V8 and possibly even four-wheel drive.

While HSV's Chris Payne would not be drawn on the possibility of all-wheel traction for the GTS, the technology is being developed by Holden for Commodore and HSV has been used as a technical Trojan horse before, the most recent example being the rear suspension control link which was added to the standard Commodores at the VXII update.

"Our GTS model positioning needs to move to another level. It needs to have a level of mechanical differentiation to appeal to our customers. Current owners would be interested in it (four-wheel drive) but not necessarily as standard," said Mr Payne.

"Four-wheel drive provides plenty of opportunities for us and we'd have to have a look at a four-wheel drive HSV - not just an SUV - but a performance model. But we'd need to ensure it maintains core values."


There's also a rumour of a 5.4 Litre 320kw GTHO 4WD :nuts:
 

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We could'nt of expected Ford to bring something first could we. I suppose a small consulation is that when they do its usually better though. Not that it wins sales.

I would'nt like to have the first 300+kw GTS 4wd. The price will very expensive too i would imagine.
 

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I wonder how strong the gearboxes, tailshafts, halfshafts, diffs etc will have to be for an AWD Commodore/Falcon with 300+
kw/500+Nm???

The Falcon has a bad enough time with one diff letalone two :eek:

I can just image a magazine doing a 6000Rpm clutch dump in a brand new AWD GTHO and finding it spill its guts all over the track :(
 

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Simple, just use the running gear from the 736Kw/1250Nm Bugatti Veyron.

** 0-300Km/h in 14 secs
** Top speed - 406Km/h.:D
 

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I've also heard rumor of a 400kW S/C AWD HSV, And It is a matter of time... :( :( :(
 

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Remember ProDrive owns Tickford now so when/if the AWD Falcon GT comes out it will eat anything HSV can put out for breakfast.
mmmmmmmmmm. WRC blue 350kw 6speed Falcon GT. Good by 22B!
 

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I'd doubt that ProDrive could do a AWD Falcon without some serious factory development time. HSV wouldn't be able to do it without Holden doing most of the groundwork with the basic design of the Commodore. Don't get me wrong, I think if Ford does start building an AWD version of the Falcon, then I;m sure ProDrive will be able to bring a lot to the model - but ProDrive won't be building their own AWD system ...
 

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Hobbes said:
I'd doubt that ProDrive could do a AWD Falcon without some serious factory development time. HSV wouldn't be able to do it without Holden doing most of the groundwork with the basic design of the Commodore. Don't get me wrong, I think if Ford does start building an AWD version of the Falcon, then I;m sure ProDrive will be able to bring a lot to the model - but ProDrive won't be building their own AWD system ...

Ford already have Awd systems running in various models around the world. Prodrive won't need to develop their own system.
 

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Sorry what I meant was that with ProDrive's AWD experience Tickford could take the AWD Falcon and turn it into a real weapon.
 

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Don't quote me on this one but, doesn't the commodore have a macpherson strut front end and the falcon a double wish bone.
I would have thought with the macpherson strut front it would need to be replaced with a double wishbone front to allow the workings for the front wheel drive. Since the commos set would take a lot of re-engineering to change this for such a limited run it would not be done. IF they do change it for the GTS then I would expect the new VY to get a whole new front suspension package that can easily be turned into a AWD.

Anyway just a thought.

Also just a comment with an AWD. I would have thought that the diffs in an AWD car could be smaller than the diff in just a rear wheel drive car because you are effectively reducing the power to the rear diff by half if it is split 50/50. Of course if the AWD system is asensing system that can put the power down to any corner of the car it wants then the diffs front or back need to be strong enough to take the lot.
 

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Most FWD cars use struts up the front, my Suby has struts up front and trailing arm IRS. As for the diffs, yes they could reduce the size/strength of them but it would work out cheaper to leave the rear diff alone and fit a smaller diff up front. This is common on American 4x4 off roaders. Add a Hydratrak front and rear diff and a nice adjustable gear slipper in the centre and watch the Falcon disappear regardless of the condtions. Oh and make sure torque split is REAR bias to reduce understeer.
 
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