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HO V6 XR5i
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I'm gonna get psychological on you guys :)

If you think about it......would our cars hold value to us like they do now if Tempo's were still being made today? Imagine though, where would have Ford taken them? Our cars may not be as "unique" to set up if they were still being produced today. That kind of brings me to a crosspoint. Is it a good thing for our enthusiasm that they are no longer being made? Or would it be better if they still were? .....no more will be made.....Kinda sad but there's no avoiding it. Everyday there will be less and less. Rarity is part of what can make a car special, but it's sad when they are no longer around. So I guess all I can say is to enjoy them while they are still around....
 

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you know what I think would be weird...if Focuses had a version of the HSC in them...because if you think of it, the Contour replaced the Tempo and with a little overlap the Focus ultimately replaced the Contour....think of all of the HiPo parts we could get for our engines!
 
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i like the fact they discontinued the tempos. it kinda gives our cars a little something special to them. if they were still being made today, the younger years would not be as special, because everyone would be buying the new ones and souping them up, stuff like that, ya know? i like the fact they discontinued them, as much as it hurts to say.
 
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Outraged!

I spent the last week down at my cousins, and her roomate has a 93 Honda Accord EX. We rode a couple places in it, and I liked it alot so I went to KBB and price checked it for trade in value and I was shocked when I compared the results with mine.

In Features, Are cars and the Honda accords are very similar,

The Honda comes standard with a 2.2L 4 banger manual or standard, all the same stuff like a/c, premium stereo, tilt wheel, power options that kinda stuff

her car and my car are basically the same except she has a rear spoiler, a power moonroof, and hers is manual (mine is auto) and I have dual power seats and mine is a 4 dr while hers is a coupe

That I know of there is no major feature that her car has that our cars do not but the trade in values suggest differently.

My car has a trade in of 1975 and her car has a trade in of 5600!

Whats gives?!?!

How much did our cars go for off the lot back in 93?
 

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Well, even though it may seem like the Tempo and the Accord were pretty well matched, there is more too it. Honda covered the sedan market with 2 cars, the Civic and the Accord. Ford covered it with three, the Escort, Tempo, and Taurus. For the most part, the Escort competed directly with the bottom rung Civics. The Tempo was forced to compete with top of the line Civics and bottom rung Accords, while the bulk of the Accords were designed to compete with the Taurus. The Accord did come with a 2.2 L engine, but it was a much more advanced design engine that made more power and got better gas mileage. The accord was also roomier and just a bit more upscale (even against the Taurus). During the late 80s and early 90s, the domestic manufacturers were playing catch up tot he quality levels of the imports. This is what you paid for when stepping up to a Honda.. the quality.

In 1993, my Topaz GS 2-door with alloy rims, air conditioning, AM/FM Cassette, sport group, automatic trans stickered for $11K. I purchased mine for $9K. The only cars I considered were the Cavalier and the Escort. I couldn't at the time justify to myself spending the extra money for a Civic or an Accord.
 

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I constantly hear about import vehicles "refinement" but hoenstly I look hard and don't see it. Let's compare a new 1993 2dr Ford Tempo to a new 2000 2dr Honda Accord. I know it may sound ridiculous, but let's play along. The Tempo is a GL, is a 5 speed with every option available, brand new priced at $11,000 while the Accord EX with a 5 speed has every option, stickered at over $20,000. The Accord will have a CD player and premium sound that is slightly higher quality than ours. Ok......the refinement I think I see is that an Accord's trim is stiffer than ours, that being, they don't seem as "soft" in touch or look. Everything follows smoother lines. To me anyways, an Accord's buttons and switches are sometimes placed in awkward places while a Tempo's switches and whatnot are perfectly placed within a comfortable range and are easy to operate. The Accord's seats are stiffer and less comfortable than those in a Tempo. My friends Accord is dam cramped in the backseat. The 1993 Tempo has a dashboard that is useful, you can place things on it, while the Accord's dashboard is useless to place things on it. The Accord has power windows to it so there's one advantage, if that's what you like. To be honest, this Accord with a VTEC (?) 2.3L 4 banger has more HP on paper, but honestly, has no acceleration until it revs high, and even then, it feels equal to what a 2.3L Tempo has at a lower RPM. I don't care what EPA says or what magazines say, a well maintained stock 2.3L with a 5 speed will achieve upper 20's to lower 30 MPG in the city and upper 30 to lower 40's MPG on the highway. An Accord achieves slightly lower than this at it's best because it is a heavier car. The Accord's engine is high quality and will last forever, but so will the engine from a Tempo....anyone beg to differ, I have owned one that has over 173,000 miles and the engine never gave me trouble, despite running it hard. This 1993 Tempo has R12 A/C which blows colder than the Accords R134a A/C. Honda is said to have higher quality parts (switches, paint, etc), but they last because they are typically cared for and maintained well, very much unlike Tempos. We all see everyday Tempo's running around that are straight beaters. If someone was to take good care of this Tempo it will last just as long as the Accord. Tempo's were looked at as cheap throwaway cars while an Accord was not. Cars that retail cheaper are typically purchased as a throwaway car, one that is used up with no maintenance until it whithers away, while a more expensive car (like the Accord) costs more, so who wants to blow away more money? It's cared for and this is why I believe imports (more expensive) last longer, because owners maintain them. So when you compare side by side a new Accord to a new 1993 Tempo.......we come up short, but not by much........

In case you guys can't tell......I"m comparing my 1993 Tempo (with less options than were available for a 1993 2dr) to a spankin new 2000 Accord that once again left me desiring more from a Honda......I think a 2001 Taurus SES blows away a Honda Accord EX hands down.....
 
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My 94 GS was sold for about $11500 CDN+taxes, the original owner showed me the bill of sale from when when he bought it. That's only about $8k USD!! My old 88 Topaz sold for well under $10k CDN. I seriously do think that Ford discontinued these cars because they were too good and they wern't making enough profit on them. The replacement 1995 Contour retailed for several thousands of dollars more than a fully loaded 94 Tempo and it wasn't a better car. Just ask any mechanic who had to work on them.
 

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If tempos were still being made, we might have caught the Rice Boy wave and it would have been alot easier to get parts and nobody would put us down. On the other hand, you get a lot more respect when you turn a slow car into a monster using your brain and youtr hands and not a catalog and a phone.

You never know if Ford will do like GM and bring back old nameplates (Malibu, Impala, etc.) so like 15 years from now Tempos might come back to the market. You just never know.

To the first message in this post, I believe it is a good thing that they aren't made anymore. Sure it hurts value since they just get older and older, but making new oneswould make them too common and they wouldnt be special. If Chevy kept making the original Bel Air till, say, 65, there would be too many and their value would suck.
 

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G, don't get me wrong. I wasn't knockin the Tempo... just stating market perception. I always stood behind the following argument

<I>...stepping up on his soapbox....</I>

Are cars such as BMW's and Benzes really all that more better and reliable than something say a Topaz? I honestly don't think so.... it just seems that they are. For someone to go out and leave a dealership spending $30K on a new BMW, that is a serious chunk of change, 3 times the amount that someone would have spent to walk off the lot with a $10K Topaz. So, you already have 3 times the amount of money invested in the car... which owner will probably take care of their car better... the BMW owner or the Topaz owner. THe BMW owner will the majority of the time, beucase of that great initial investment. Most people that purchase the $10K Tempo will probably go into it as "Hey, I only spent $10K onthe car, I can go get another one".

There are the rare exceptions to people taking care of their cars that prove this theory. Take me for example, I only paid $9K for my car and I took extremely good care of my car from day 1. I was very proud of my car, and I treated it as such. I have seen so many cars in San Diego county that are just HOOOPTY because they aren't taken care of. Just yesterday, I saw a 94 Jaguar that was burning so much oil, it reminded me of the game Spy Hunter and Smoke Screen!!!!! And she probably paid $60K for that car back in 94!!!!!!
 

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by the same thought process....


....stepping up on hood of broken down hoopty....
The person who spends 30k on a BMW just for the marque normally does'nt know anything about cars, and will just pay someone to fix it and does'nt take very good care of it at all.
 

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Brian

I gotcha dude ;) I understood what you were saying. I didn't mean to sound like I was mad or anything. :D
 
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On a Side Note...

In most cases the luxury vehicles have alot more bells and whistles on them...which means more things to break! They usually have more computer equipment in them that can, on any given day, decide not to work and mess up a critical operations such as fuel injection and such. Prime example, my gram bought a Jeep Grand Cherokee in 94, it was a limited and it had all kinds of extra things in it..when she got T-boned three months later, the body of the vehicle was fixed but not the computer relays where she was hit, now she has to run the Jeep while it beeps at her and tells her she has a rear tailight failure (which she doesnt) so she took it back to the garage and the guy said he wasnt qualified so she took it to her dealer and they wanted 1300 dollars to fix the sensors and relays! And also her keyless entry remotes are junk.. and they cost 70 bucks to repair so they will only unlock the jeep and if you dont use the keyless entry transmitters, It wont disarm the alarm system on it, so when you try to use a key the thing goes ape****, so she leaves her thirty thousand dollar vehicle unlocked all the time. Just goes to prove that more tech and money isnt always better!
 

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exactly.. i love my old school wonder
 
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As a relative newcomer to the board, I am impressed with the amount of knowledge that you guys posses about vehicle dynamics and fabrication. I have to say that I bought the tempo thinking it would only be around of 3-4 years until I could get a "better" car. As I got to drive this thing out on the road. I was impressed that the car actually has pretty good handling characteristics, and although is not fast will hold the road pretty darn good for an econobox. For a variety of reasons, I decided to keep the car until my wife graduated from Grad school. So I embarked on amission to keep the car running. Thats when I found you guys. Now I am at the point that I have realized that there is really nothing on this car that can't be replaced or repaired again and again. The only hitch would be if the body rusted out to the point that the structural integrety was compromised. At this point I have come to the conclusion that this is a pretty darn good car. It is durable and because the thing was so cheap, it is easy to get parts for. I am convinced this is one of the better engineered cars that I have owned. I think we can count ourselves fortunate that the car was so underappreciated. This means that we will not stand out in a crowd. When the cops set up a road block here in MS I am often waved on. I am convinced that I have avoided some tickets just becuase the officer went after some other vehicle because he thought I could not possibly be doing 90 mph in a tempo.

Thanks again for helping me breath new life into this car and support me when my wife keeps suggesting that I sell it and get something newer. (it has only stranded me once in six years of ownership.
 
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