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BTW does anyone else think there is a lot of firepower heading towards the middle east just to get terrorists?
 

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gtho4 said:
BTW does anyone else think there is a lot of firepower heading towards the middle east just to get terrorists?
The markets certainly think so! Seen the shares of Insurance companies? And it is now impossible to obtain insurance that includes war risk (the aviation industry is worried about that one!)
 
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to all those who know no better, I was involved in the gulf war, in 1987 1988 and all I can say is, pray your arse off....
 

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to all those who know no better, I was involved in the gulf war, in 1987 1988 and all I can say is, pray your arse off....
Very true. Started praying 8 days ago
 
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to all those who know no better, I was involved in the gulf war, in 1987 1988 and all I can say is, pray your arse off....
Unless there was one previous, wasn't the Gulf war in 1991?
 

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With all the talk of the war against terrorism lasting up to 10 years, and america preparing themselves for suck a long drawn out operation, I don't think that the effects can be looked on lightly, this is going to be very serious conflict in a manner in which we have never seen. I am already being warned by many of those around me to expect to face conscription in the future.
I will be praying that is for sure.
 
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Before the Gulf war started everyone feared the same about becoming a World War but it didn't, lets just wait and see.

Anyways something has to be done about it, if a superpower like the US which has the ability to detect missle launches from around the world was attacked by terrorists who made it look so easy to do that, we are all in deep sh!t.
Who is to say they won't use a chemical, biological or nuclear weapons in the near future? and by the sound of it they are not far from that.
 

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Who is to say they won't use a chemical, biological or nuclear weapons in the near future? and by the sound of it they are not far from that.
Considering the amount of money Bin Laden has then it would be no surprise that some of the terrorist groups has atleast one, if not all three of those. And there wouldnt be one of his followers that would hesitate to detinate one in a major populated area in a Western Nation.
 

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The time leading up to the Gulf war and during, Mr Hussien used many threatening words, like it will be the "Mother of all wars" and many Americans will die. They were all words, intending to scare their enemy. It's the same now, a war of words, all threats but no action. Nobody wants a nuclear/biological war, everyone knows how devastating it would be, so they will do all they can to prevent it. The way I read it, USA and their allies will conduct a covert war, on the ground, with the hope that they will be more successful than the Russians. Seeing that the US supported the Afgans in their struggle against the Russians, it should be easier. The big question is, How will terrorists react to this attack?, time will tell.
 

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to all those who know no better, I was involved in the gulf war, in 1987 1988 and all I can say is, pray your arse off....
I started praying on Tuesday the 11th. I won't stop praying until I land in Melbourne on 1st Oct.
There is a siege mentality going through the air over here 'cause they all think London's next. Apparantly there were 100 'suitcase' bombs (low yield nuke) stolen from a base in Russia a year or two ago and they still haven't been located. All it would take is to walk up to say Big Ben and hit the go button.
Police presence in the streets is massive. All wearing fluro yellow vests so you can see 'em. Items being confiscated from airports include things as small as nail clippers. On the bright side at least is easy to get directions if you get lost!
 

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I am already being warned by many of those around me to expect to face conscription in the future.
Donut King: wont that happen to dole bludgers?
 

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Donut King: wont that happen to dole bludgers?
Hehehe :nuts: :nuts: :rolleyes:
The new work for the Dole scheme, go and teach the lousy terrorists a lesson ;)
well it's one way to bring unemployment down I guess :rolleyes:

In all seriousness, I don't think that it will get to the point where conscription is called for, however it is already on the people's lips...
 

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I think this is one majorly serious situation. The absolute bastard acts of the terrorists demands that the US take action of some description but by the same token, I am with you guys who reckon now is a really good time to start praying that this does not degenerate into a world war type situation. Talking about war and conscription, it really makes you sympathise even more (and be more grateful) about the contribution of the ANZACS and all diggers (past and present). I hope it is all bluff (i.e. nuclear/biological/chemical) on the part of scumbag terrorists and their supporters. One last thing, if Bin Laden and his ilk were up to speed with nuclear/biological/chemical warfare(terrorism) why would they still commit hijackings/suicide bombings etc. If they 're not up to speed yet on N/B/C, I hope they can be stopped before they get full control of such weaponry
 

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Keep in mind that it takes a fair bit of "asset positioning" (ie. logistics and security backup) for even a fairly limited action. I think that what we're seeing are preparations for a lengthy presence in the Middle East - not for a huge all out attack of some sort as such.

The big danger now is that some sort of biological or nuclear attack may be attempted by terrorists. By nuclear attack I don't mean a full reaction bomb - just a conventional bomb set off with a few kilograms of plutonium (or similar material) in the same car/container/room etc. would be a massive disaster.

The thing that steams me up is how many people are stepping back now and suggesting that what's happened is understandable in light of the poor security which enabled the attacks to occur and the hatred these people have for the US!!!!?????!!!! - and now the US should excercise restraint and be a bit more vigilant and more careful not to tread on peoples' toes to make them angry enough to do this sort of thing - WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!.

The real worry is that's exactly the reaction these bastards were after - you clobber someone hard enough and they withdraw and cower and get around looking over their shoulders and being careful where they go and what they do - well in my book that's not acceptable.
 

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To the people who dont think that a chemical weapon attack is beyond reality, the FBI have discovered that the terrorists could be planning to steal crop dusters which would be used to 'ditribute' a chemical agent.

Man this **** is getting scarier by the minute :eek::eek:

Heres a link to a full article

http://www.cnn.com./2001/US/09/23/inv.crop.dusters/index.html
 

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Apparently a BBC journalist managed to get smuggled into Afghanastan dressed as a woman, exposing a pretty big loophole in boarder control.

Because the Teletubbies treat woman as nobodies and force them to cover up you can see that it is quite easy to get through the boarder.
 
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Here is some info from a website who says they have sources from Israeli intelligence:

23 September:
As US sea-air armadas, destroyers, air fleets and Special Service units speed east to make war on terrorism, the opposition makes its own preparations quietly and in the dark. The ex-Saudi terror master Osama Bin Laden is generally presented as being on the run, dodging with a small band from one hideout to another in the UruzgaMountains north of Kahandar and south of Hindu Kush, to escape the mighty force out to get him. Some reports place him in hiding in Somalia. The truth is that no one – including western intelligence agencies – knows where he is.
What DEBKAfile ’s intelligence and military sources can say is that Bin Laden and his senior commanders, far from giving up the flight, are in fact busy preparing their next offensive against the US, Britain, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf Emirates, Egypt and Israel – all affirmed targets of the jihad he has declared against America and everything its stands for.
Bin Laden and his ilk do not practice Western military doctrines. The concepts of military hierarchy, with its generals and colonels, general staffs and operational, air intelligence and naval intelligence branches, are all alien to Bin Laden and his band.
This is quite deliberate. Bin Laden keeps his men untouched by Western military thinking and formats for two reasons:
1. To prevent his men’s exposure to Western culture, while creating a milieu in which any Western penetration agent will soon be spotted.
2. A preference for traditional Islamic fighting methods, mostly taken from the early days of conquering Islam - the 7th century, when the Caliph Omar prevailed over the Byzantine Empire, and the 11th century, when Saladin defeated the European Crusaders.
Saladin, who was not an Arab but a Seljuk from Asia Minor, built his army around a very small command of adherents and a large international pool of reservists, who were called up for major battles by a dozen or so runners, who traveled to the different countries and activated local couriers in relays for posting call-up summons in the towns and villages.
DEBKAfile’s military and intelligence sources report that Bin Laden’s courier squad of half a dozen runners went into action on September 9, two days before the four hijacked airliners rammed the WorldTradeCenter in New York and the Pentagon in Washington. They spread out in two destinations. One group headed for the Islamic madrassas, Islamic schools and colleges of Afghanistan, where 40,000 of the more than one million students, Afghans and foreigners, have embraced the jihad mission under Bin Laden’s leadership. A second group went round the 10,000 madrassas of Pakistan, where Bin Laden can count on a further 70,000 jihad devotees.
The conscripts were issued with their personal weapons early last week from central armories serving each cluster of madrassas.
These schools are not colleges in the Western sense, but training and indoctrination academies breeding militant zealots for battle and self-sacrifice. These future recruits to Bin Laden’s Moslem internationale are subjected to rigorous training disciplines in guerrilla and urban combat, sabotage, the making and use of bombs, simple weaponry for use against planes, helicopters and tanks and endurance in harsh conditions deprived of water and food for long periods.
This is not a ragged rabble, but a well-drilled, dedicated Islamic legion of at least 110,000 zealots, raring to take on Western armies and unafraid of elite US Delta, Rangers and Seals or British S.A.S. commandos descending on their strongholds.
Indeed some of the instructors teaching the students the arts of war may have received their own training at the hands of American Moslem commando instructors, attached at different periods to US 101st or 82nd Airborne Divisions. How these Moslem Americans reached the most violent Islamic training grounds in the world will be described elsewhere. Suffice it to say that the Islamic army congregating in Afghanistan under the Bin Laden banner is a fighting force as formidable in its own way as the military might the United States and the British are assembling to eradicate it.
Some 3,500 hard core senior officers serving in Bin Laden’s training bases in Afghanistan have taken command of the gathering army.
DEBKAfile’s military sources confirm at least one initial engagement between US elite forces who have crossed from neighboring Tadjikistan, a former Soviet republic, into southeast Afghanistan since Saturday, September 22. They were Led through the mountains by Russian intelligence officers familiar with Afghan frontier terrain and Tadjik and Pushtun smugglers associated with Russian intelligence. There was another brush Saturday, between British SAS units who entered Afghanistan from the north and linked up with the Afghan general Rashid Dustum, an Uzbek, and a Bin Laden band. Members of the British force penetrated Afghan military lines and reached the outskirts of Kabul.
DEBKAfile’s military sources are quite clear that the coming war will be fought both inside and outside Afghanistan, and that its tempo, scale, arena and intensity will not be dictated by the Americans alone.
Al Qaeda is an international association of allied groups operating in many parts of the world.
Its top commanders are:
YAMAN AL ZAWAHAR, head of the Egyptian Jihad Islami, who is Bin Laden’s senior deputy and heir apparent
JUMMA MAMANGANI, an Uzbek, who was recently appointed Al Qaeda chief of operations. He is former commander of the Moslem Army for the Liberation of Kyrgistan. Three key Afghan training camps, at Jalalabad, Farmada and Daronta, are under his command.
FATEH KAMEL, who leads the most militant cells of the extremist Algerian GIA. In the name of Al Qaida, he controls terrorist cells in the United States, Canada and Algeria.
MUHAMMED ATIF aka SUBHI ABU-SITTAH, who is nominal chief of staff of the network and its brightest military brain. He comes from the Egyptian Jihad Islami
IMAD MUGHNIYEH, the former Lebanese Hizballah hostage-taker and bomber, who is in charge of the combined terrorist campaign around the Middle East, the Persian Gulf, Europe and Israel.
On top of the 3,500 hard core commanders and 110,000 Afghan and Pakistani troops, Al Qaeda retains another 6400 commanders in 12 centers: North America, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Albania, Kosovo, Algeria, Chechenya, Tadjikistan and all the former Soviet republics of Central Asia, the Philippines, Egypt, Ethiopia and Somalia.
The numbers of Bin Laden can muster differs from place to place. In North America, together with his closest ally, the Egyptian Jihad Islami, some 2,500 hard core fighting men; in Yemen, where his family originated before migrating to Saudi Arabia – 2000 directly. But Bin Laden has a special relationship with the commanders of the 20,000-man strong irregular “Moslem Liberation Army, which hold a monopoly of the arms trade of the Arabian Peninsula, the Horn of Africa, the Red Sea and East Africa. Its reach sometimes goes as far as Iran.
Bin Laden often serves as the MLA’s clearing bank and ready bankroll for arms deal.
In Saudi Arabia, where the privileged and affluent Bin Laden clan lives, Osama commands some 200-250 hard-core commanders, but many more potential partisans among the disaffected tribes in the central and eastern provinces, especially the Nejd, as well as in the Saudi armed forces and national guard.
An intensive Al Qaeda recruitment effort in those two Saudi forces could cause their collapse and drop in Bin Laden’s lap their arsenals, with some of the most sophisticated hardware in use today.
According to conservative estimates, the millionaire-terrorist could most probably rally around the world roughly the same number of fighting men as those flocking to his flag in Afghanistan and Pakistan, namely an army of over 200,000 men. Many members of his overseas legions are available for both sustained and for one-time operations. In between, they simply go back to their normal pursuits and their homes in host countries. They are also available for terrorist operations on their home ground.
 
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