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I am in a position (at last) in my life where I reckon I can actually afford a 50k+ car. I have always wanted a GT Falcon, an XA 4 door actually, but the old cars dont have ABS and airbags. This car has to be driveable by the missus too, so good steering and creature comforts are essential along with an autobox.

I would never buy a "brand new zero km car" as I cant come at dropping the several thousand dollars in the bin that turning a new car into a second hand car does.

I have decided then to buy a near new car from a good dealer which has less than 10000km on the dial and under 1 year old thus getting the balance of new car warranty, not too many km per day average and also hopefully having a more "bug free" car.

Now that they've been around for a bit and there are many reports of things giving various people the sh*ts... What are they really like?

Is it really as good as I think it will be to own a GT (silver with orange stripes with any luck) or are they overhyped? Should I get an XR8 and blow it?
Dare I say it... what about a VY clubsport R8? They pack a lot of agro for the bucks but dont really appear to have the same "cruiser class" that the GT has.

Whats your real feelings? After 12 months has your GT just become a flash falcon or is it still holding that aura of being a GT?
 

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Well if your in a position to buy a GT then go for it,you'll be amazed the reaction you get when driving them around town.They got the power handle really well and have the looks,it certainly is the best decision that i have made.
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I have to agree with John on this one,

i have had my GTP since October and havent had any problems with mine. if you put aside the odd car that will have issues, as a whole they are an amazing vehichle.
They are great to drive, supprisingly easy to drive so if the miss's doesnt really like driving a Grunter then it is still ok because its good as a cruiser or as a muscle car.

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I don't own an FPV, but go the GT (Black with Stripes!)

I know how I react when I see an FPV on the roads, jumping up and down like a little school boy.. Go the mighty 290.
 

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If you find one it will only take one test drive to settle your mind,now go find that silver one with orange stripe's,cheer's mate.
 

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well the parents don't own a gt but an XR8 the only problem so far is brake shudder but if you buy a gt you avoid that with the premiums you get as standard, they go great and are one of the best sounding V8's you can buy at the moment. as for the Versus VY II Clubsport R8 they are also a great going car but since you want an auto the GT is the way to go with the new ford auto. much smoother and you get to play in manual mode.

Good choice in color Lightning strike silver with orange stripes is one of the best color combonations FPV have out looks hot.
 

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Ok TONYK, I own both, a GT and a VY clubbi, so I can give an unbiased opinion. Looks and reaction value the GT wins hands down. Even tonight, I went to our local supermarket, and when I came out, the usual 10 bods looking at it. But looks and people hasseling you is only a small part of it.
You probably will not get either of these cars second hand as yet, ive not seen or heard of any as yet, and believe me I do look all the time.
So if you have to buy new, Clubbie you could probably get a series 1 for around 55 to 56k on the road as the series 2s are around 65k on the road. R8s are usualy 10k dearer but only have diff seats, two dash gauges and better brakes. Personaly I looked at but could not justify 10k extra.
GTs are around 70k base model on the road, leather is a 2.5k option(probably worth it) and stripes (must have, as it looks like XR otherwise) at $500, but remember you pay 25% luxury car tax on these items. An XR will always be an XR, and will depreciate alot quicker than a GT. If you only want to spend around 50k, I suggest you see if you can get a series 1 Clubbie as value for money, XR8 does not even compare.
At 70k my GT only has std radio and no climate control as the Clubbie has an awesome computer, climate control and a rearly good 6 stack cd player all standard. You now have to go to the GTP to get all the features that are std in the Holden, now you are looking at 80k+ on the road.
Another aspect to seriously look at is insurance and finance. Mine are cheap to insure as I live in a good area and im over 30 and a rating 1 with no history. GT 1003k and Clubbie 1032k. Finance, what you have to look at is how much can you afford. Mine are structured as GT put 15k in borrow 56k with 20k interest, repayments of neary 1 k per month and balloon paymnt of 22k. Clubbie put 20k in borrow 36k repayments of just over $500 per month and a balloon of 17k. So the bigger deposit you the easier it is. I have also got 3 properties, so getting that money to buy these cars is easy.
Driving, both cars are similar, the GT is heavier to handle and on fuel. The GT is smoother on the road, just depends what you want to do with it. The GT is quicker than a series 1 Clubbie (only just), series 2 Clubbie should be quicker than a GT as it has now got 285 kw upgrade.
In a nut shell, both have pros and cons, GT for looks and power, Clubbie for nice driver and way better value for money. I do have quiet a few problems with the GT and have only had 1 problem with the Clubbie, you get good ones and bad ones in both, luck of the draw. Good luck as what you decide, hope I could shed some light on you deliema. Cheers GT 522
 

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My 22c (inc GST) worth.
If your budget is $50k hard then go a 6T or XR8, the FPV range is above that.
If you can stretch to 60k then go an ex-demo.
There are shit loads of demos about. Most are speced low as in maybe stripes, prem sound or leather and you will get one for about 60k on road.
I saw a black GTP with leather & prem sounr in Mildura last week for $73k
There is a blueprint GT with leather for $62k up here in Hervey Bay
It is 2004, 2003 plates will have a bonus by now.
As far as what are they like...... GREAT MATE.
One interesting thing I have noticed is that some of the cars have problems and some people mod their cars...... seems that a lot (not all) of the members of one group are also in the other group.
I have done 38,000 km in mine and have had NO major probs at all.
Oh and if you see one of the "P" cars i.e. one with a GT-Pxxx or GTP-Pxxx build plate, remember these were the promo cars and were thrashed by every journo in oz (and hen some)
 

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I'd go for a XR8 personally.
Yes, the GT is a head turner, and yes it goes very well indeed. Let's face it though, everything the GT is, the XR8 can easily be, except for the pose value and resale.
If you're not worried about what others think, the XR8 is perhaps a better (read, cheaper) option.
A set of Konis, cams, exhaust and the XR8 will be up there with the GT in most ways. Brakes may not be as good, but you'll only notice that on the track.

But that's me, as the 'image' or 'street cred' of something doesn't mean so much to me......

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GT 522 said:
I suggest you see if you can get a series 1 Clubbie as value for money, XR8 does not even compare.
OH! I beg to differ my friend. You can get a 6 month old XR8 for the same price as a 2 year old Shlubbie. Maybe even cheaper i would suspect. Some of your prices need looking at i think. 80k on the road for a fully optioned GT-P? Some one is paying through the nose.
My XR8 more than compared to a Shlubbie the other day. It has even far excelled a 300kw GTS. Come to think of it i have roasted more HSV's than i have Lambs. A few mods to an XR8 and you would bee surprised who you would be lookin at in your rear vision mirror. Just ask Tony Rullo from CAPA about the boss motor, he thinks they are shit hot. Best thing to come out of Australia since Captain Cook landed here.

Anyway in my opinion from what i have gathered since its release the GT is an awsome vehicle. But with only 50k id bee looking at getting an XR8 and doing a few personal mods to it. It's those little touches that makes them yours.

By the way GT 522 you forgot to mention your tax file number too. :)
 

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Hi Tony,

$50K+ eh, if you can go the extra 10k definately go the GT.......no hesitation. The Turbo or XR8 just do not comeup to this car.

My experiences in the last 12 months has put me into the GT from a Turbo and I really cannot stress enough how good this car is.

The turbo was quick......believe me, but in 6 months and 10000k it had a new gearbox (so go the auto if you really have to go the T), brake shudder, windscreen replaced (whistling noise at110kph). Windsecreen seals replaced, kinking and lifting. The interior was nice but cheap. I enjoyed the turbo, power came on early and handled better than the XR8 (IMHO).

The XR8 (demo only) had the torque but handled horribly. Just did'nt have the balance the Turbo had, due mainly to the big heavy motor (felt like the front bumper was made of lead!). Note was good but!

The GT handles so well, gives you heaps of confidence with such a good motor under the bonnet. The Power band on the boss comes on at about 4500rpm, and just pulls and pulls. The Tremec gearbox is a joy, shits on the T5 box in the turbo. Took me awhile to unlearn the bad habits from the T5 :)

The finish of the GT is fantastic, you can see where the extra money has been spent.

Costs: Xr6T on road with Premium sound, tint, momo steering wheel and gear shift, mats, spats etc: $46,500, + 1800 for exhaust and BMC pod intake filter. To do the same now would set you back $52,000 (price rise early 2003).

GT: Premium sound, tint, stripes, FPV steering wheel, mats $67,500.

Insurance was a little cheaper than the Turbo ($840 GT, $865 Turbo).

So go the GT if you can........you won't regret it!
 

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To (BADXR8UTE) unfortunately a fully optioned GTP which includes Leather seats,SatNav,Sunroof,Reverse sensors,Premiun Sound and some mods from Herrods and the price will be over $90,000 and thats at a good price i did my shopping around.
You want buy it cheaper in WA than in Victoria.
Cheers John
 

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OH! I beg to differ my friend. You can get a 6 month old XR8 for the same price as a 2 year old Shlubbie. Maybe even cheaper i would suspect. Some of your prices need looking at i think. 80k on the road for a fully optioned GT-P? Some one is paying through the nose.
My XR8 more than compared to a Shlubbie the other day. It has even far excelled a 300kw GTS. Come to think of it i have roasted more HSV's than i have Lambs. A few mods to an XR8 and you would bee surprised who you would be lookin at in your rear vision mirror. Just ask Tony Rullo from CAPA about the boss motor, he thinks they are shit hot. Best thing to come out of Australia since Captain Cook landed here.

Anyway in my opinion from what i have gathered since its release the GT is an awsome vehicle. But with only 50k id bee looking at getting an XR8 and doing a few personal mods to it. It's those little touches that makes them yours.

By the way GT 522 you forgot to mention your tax file number too. :)
Theres one in every crowd isnt there. We are talking NEW CAR PRICES and I GOT A NEW, YES NEW VY CLUBSPORT FOR $56K ON THE ROAD. I GOT QUOTED $50K PLUS FOR XR8. We are not talking about modified cars as some people spend there budget getting into the car and may not have much left to spend on mods. Ive also wasted XR8s in the clubbie, so until youve owned one , stop bagging what you know nothing about.
 

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GT 522 said:
Theres one in every crowd isnt there. We are talking NEW CAR PRICES and I GOT A NEW, YES NEW VY CLUBSPORT FOR $56K ON THE ROAD. I GOT QUOTED $50K PLUS FOR XR8. We are not talking about modified cars as some people spend there budget getting into the car and may not have much left to spend on mods. Ive also wasted XR8s in the clubbie, so until youve owned one , stop bagging what you know nothing about.
Hi GT 522, surely he can have his thoughts and opinion without calling it bagging, you already told us you have the fastest GT now you have the fastest clubby, my work colleague has a R8 auto ran a 14.1 at Calder and a 14.7 on a very hot day at Heathcote it’s nice and loose (e.g. oil burner), bring your cars down the ¼ and lets see how fast they are on the track….

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sorry mate but a VY clubby will crap on a BA xr8 in most areas.....the clubby is way better value for money
by the way i thought a stock GT is 60K not 70?????
 

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BADXR8UTE:
sorry mate but a VY clubby will crap on a BA xr8 in most areas.....the clubby is way better value for money
by the way i thought a stock GT is 60K not 70?????
Hi Venom XR Turbo,
Value for money Clubby rrp is $60k, XR8 Sedan rrp $50k
Shouldn’t you be comparing the XR8 $50k to the SS $50k
Clubbsport rrp $60k should be compared to a GT rrp $60K
Clubbsport R8 rrp $69k should be compared to a GT-P rrp $70K
In value for money terms that’s how the cars should be rated against each other.
In technology terms the Boss engines are still in very early development but the quad cam technology engine will only get better e.g:DJR cars 260/320kw the other cars that carry this technology is a Jaguar and they are $100k+. As for the auto’s in the XR8’s and the FPV cars (not XR6T) are the best and strongest auto’s that handle the most torque and horse power that have ever been made in a Australian production car.
The LS1 every knows how good and bad they are, it’s like a lottery with them being so thirsty for oil, as for the technology on the engine Holden flog the same thing for years and to there credit they still make money out of it…
See Venom XR Turbo, I am sure you thought your car was value for money, I looked at a turbo in a Ute I didn’t think it was value for money with a weaker gearbox smaller diff and its only a 6cylt and it’s the same price as a the 8cyl. Yours might be a car length quicker and have plenty off pull but they just don’t have grunt.

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Go on mate, pick a scab off a stubbie and sit in your car and turn the sound up.........LOUD!! :beerbottl
 

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I dont have either the quickest GT or CLUBBIE, they are both stock, will probably pull both what the book says they will. About price the GT is just about stock (stripes and leather) and that was 70k on the road. CLUBBIE series 2 now is 65k on the road, if you can get them cheaper than that, go for it.
 

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[/QUOTE]Go on mate, pick a scab off a stubbie and sit in your car and turn the sound up.........LOUD!! :beerbottl[/QUOTE]

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greetings all
TONYK
if you can be bothered reading all the c_ap in this thread & make it this far down the page i just thaught that i would offer you my $0.02c worth

my sugestion is if you are thinking about the GT just go & do it as far as the car goes i can only give you my opinion of my Pursuit ( 2 door GT complete with big esky in the back)

i am more than happy with the car apart from the Brembo brakes but that appears to be only a ute issue, if you can get them on a sedan for a price that you are wiling to spend grab it & grab it with two hands

as for other peoples options of sugesting an XR-8 think back 30 years & compare that with a fairmont, now compare the New GT with the old GT, Resale Dollars $$$$$$$$

as for the crumple door if you were to buy that & not be happy you would curse the car as long as you had it & would still want "THE GT"

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