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"I Love Edsels" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> any opinions on Amsoil?


I don't use it. I have read some tests that show it to be better than
many would like to believe.

Their multilevel marketing approach does not inspire credibility,
for me at least.

I tried to change the oil in a girlfriend's car once in which Amsoil
was used for long change intervals. Crap looked like chocolate
pudding.

Now, had reasonable change intervals been used, it might have
come out much better.
 
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<[email protected]> wrote:

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> I don't use it. I have read some tests that show it to be better than
> many would like to believe.
>
> Their multilevel marketing approach does not inspire credibility,
> for me at least.
>
> I tried to change the oil in a girlfriend's car once in which Amsoil
> was used for long change intervals. Crap looked like chocolate
> pudding.
>
> Now, had reasonable change intervals been used, it might have
> come out much better.



If someone drives only five to ten minutes average per cold startup, the
result will eventually, indeed, be chocolate pudding..the 'chocolate'
part being due to condensated water not 'boiled out'and probable engine
damage as a result.. and ANY synthetic a waste of money .

For long change intervals, Mobil 1 works every bit as well as needed...
and you can buy it anywhere, cheaper. Change filters at 5000.

Oil Change rule of thumb:

Grocery getter (frequent, short trip driver) - every three months, good
Dino oil (Valvoline). The FAMOUS brands start to break down at or before
3000, ALL brands will hold water. And mileage driven means nothing.

Long commuter (at least 30 minutes running cycle per startup) use a REAL
synthetic, change at 15,000- filter at 5,000.

Any engine malfunction resulting in rich mixture causing gas
contamination calls for immediate oil change, no matter what.

Any glycol contamination: ditto.

Amsoil is for those who like 'cultish' things.

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I Love Edsels <[email protected]> wrote:
>any opinions on Amsoil?


I tried only their standard motor oil, and it was okay. Didn't do as well
on the four-ball test as Castrol Syntec, but it came close. Seemed to have
reasonable solvent action. Don't know about any of their other products.
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I Love Edsels wrote:
> any opinions on Amsoil?


In my experience there is a lot of noisy hype surrounding their
products, but the chances are that their oil will provide about as much
engine longevity as oil from one of the major brands. The key to
engine longevity is establishing a regular schedule of frequent oil and
filter changes that exceeds the manufacturers schedule and sticking to
it.
 
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"I Love Edsels" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> any opinions on Amsoil?


This also bring up another good question..... how is their gear oil, say the
90 weight. It was recommended (and used by) the mechanic at the Harley shop
for aftermarket transmission fluid changes. Any opinions on this?

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fweddybear <[email protected]> wrote:
>"I Love Edsels" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> any opinions on Amsoil?

>
>This also bring up another good question..... how is their gear oil, say the
>90 weight. It was recommended (and used by) the mechanic at the Harley shop
>for aftermarket transmission fluid changes. Any opinions on this?


Dunno, but at some point I'd like to see a comparison between the Red Line,
Royal Purple, Amsoil, Mobil 1 and (conventional petroleum) Pennzoil types.
I've had folks recommend all of these at one point or another.

Gear oil is funny stuff and conventional oil tests don't always correlate
well with real-world gear wear.
--scott

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"Backyard Mechanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> If someone drives only five to ten minutes average per cold startup, the
> result will eventually, indeed, be chocolate pudding..the 'chocolate'
> part being due to condensated water not 'boiled out'and probable engine
> damage as a result.. and ANY synthetic a waste of money .


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This was not her problem. She drove long miles at highway speed.
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> For long change intervals, Mobil 1 works every bit as well as needed...
> and you can buy it anywhere, cheaper. Change filters at 5000.


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I don't presently use synthetics, and if I did I would change oil
and filter at 3000 miles, just like I do now. Assurance that you can
get away with long change intervals is wasted on me. I will not likely
ever follow that path.

She ran hers to 15,000 miles between changes. No glycol contamination,
no condensation.....just Amsoil. And, as it was her car, and her
philosophy,
I didn't choose to interfere.
 
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"Scott Dorsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> fweddybear <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"I Love Edsels" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]
>>> any opinions on Amsoil?

>>
>>This also bring up another good question..... how is their gear oil, say
>>the
>>90 weight. It was recommended (and used by) the mechanic at the Harley
>>shop
>>for aftermarket transmission fluid changes. Any opinions on this?

>
> Dunno, but at some point I'd like to see a comparison between the Red
> Line,
> Royal Purple, Amsoil, Mobil 1 and (conventional petroleum) Pennzoil types.
> I've had folks recommend all of these at one point or another.
>
> Gear oil is funny stuff and conventional oil tests don't always correlate
> well with real-world gear wear.
> --scott


I would imagine temp has alot to do with how well it keeps things coated
with that thin layer...

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fweddybear wrote:
> "Scott Dorsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
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>>fweddybear <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>"I Love Edsels" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]
>>>
>>>>any opinions on Amsoil?
>>>
>>>This also bring up another good question..... how is their gear oil, say
>>>the
>>>90 weight. It was recommended (and used by) the mechanic at the Harley
>>>shop
>>>for aftermarket transmission fluid changes. Any opinions on this?

>>
>>Dunno, but at some point I'd like to see a comparison between the Red
>>Line,
>>Royal Purple, Amsoil, Mobil 1 and (conventional petroleum) Pennzoil types.
>>I've had folks recommend all of these at one point or another.
>>
>>Gear oil is funny stuff and conventional oil tests don't always correlate
>>well with real-world gear wear.
>>--scott

>
>
> I would imagine temp has alot to do with how well it keeps things coated
> with that thin layer...
>
> Fwed
>
>


I have nothing to back this up but a gut feeling, but Redline Heavy
Shockproof seems hard to beat for gear protection. It sticks to
everything it touches like nobody's business. I am currently running it
in my Porsche's transaxle; doesn't shift as well as MTL when cold but I
figure the tranny needs all the help it can get (has a noisy bearing,
and notoriously fragile R&P)

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[email protected] wrote:
> "Backyard Mechanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>If someone drives only five to ten minutes average per cold startup, the
>>result will eventually, indeed, be chocolate pudding..the 'chocolate'
>>part being due to condensated water not 'boiled out'and probable engine
>>damage as a result.. and ANY synthetic a waste of money .

>
>
> ***************************************************
> This was not her problem. She drove long miles at highway speed.
> ***************************************************
>
>
>>For long change intervals, Mobil 1 works every bit as well as needed...
>>and you can buy it anywhere, cheaper. Change filters at 5000.

>
>
> ***************************************************
> I don't presently use synthetics, and if I did I would change oil
> and filter at 3000 miles, just like I do now. Assurance that you can
> get away with long change intervals is wasted on me. I will not likely
> ever follow that path.
>
> She ran hers to 15,000 miles between changes. No glycol contamination,
> no condensation.....just Amsoil. And, as it was her car, and her
> philosophy,
> I didn't choose to interfere.
>
>


With OCIs that long I would be real nervous without either periodic (5K
miles?) filter changes and/or a bypass filter. But that said a good
synthetic really should be able to go 15K miles without issues, I
suspect other problems with that engine like a nonfunctional PCV valve?

Personally, I change my oil every 5K (Porsche 944) with either Mobil 1
5W40 or Rotella T syn 5W40 even though the owner's manual says 7500.
Maybe I'm being over-cautious, but I can't be arsed to mess with used
oil analyses and without same I just get nervous.

nate

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fweddybear wrote:
> "I Love Edsels" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > any opinions on Amsoil?

>
> This also bring up another good question..... how is their gear oil, say the
> 90 weight. It was recommended (and used by) the mechanic at the Harley shop
> for aftermarket transmission fluid changes. Any opinions on this?
>
> Fwed


What does Harley recommend for the transmission.
 
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On 12 Feb 2006 14:29:08 -0800, "John S." <[email protected]> wrote:

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>fweddybear wrote:
>> "I Love Edsels" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>> > any opinions on Amsoil?

>>
>> This also bring up another good question..... how is their gear oil, say the
>> 90 weight. It was recommended (and used by) the mechanic at the Harley shop
>> for aftermarket transmission fluid changes. Any opinions on this?
>>
>> Fwed

>
>What does Harley recommend for the transmission.


Amsoil is a ponzi scheme like Amway soap. It might work, but that
isn't the IDEA behind it. The IDEA behind it is to sell inventory to
some other sucker ( eh...associate ) so they can find a sucker (
eh...customer ) or another associate to fall into the same TRAP!

If it *works,* that's icing on the cake.

Lg
 
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Lawrence Glickman wrote:
> On 12 Feb 2006 14:29:08 -0800, "John S." <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>fweddybear wrote:
>>
>>>"I Love Edsels" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]
>>>
>>>>any opinions on Amsoil?
>>>
>>>This also bring up another good question..... how is their gear oil, say the
>>>90 weight. It was recommended (and used by) the mechanic at the Harley shop
>>>for aftermarket transmission fluid changes. Any opinions on this?
>>>
>>>Fwed

>>
>>What does Harley recommend for the transmission.

>
>
> Amsoil is a ponzi scheme like Amway soap. It might work, but that
> isn't the IDEA behind it. The IDEA behind it is to sell inventory to
> some other sucker ( eh...associate ) so they can find a sucker (
> eh...customer ) or another associate to fall into the same TRAP!
>
> If it *works,* that's icing on the cake.
>
> Lg
>

WELL SAID. Ill ditto that! If you want to here how great it is just ask
someone who sells it.
 
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"John S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> fweddybear wrote:
>> "I Love Edsels" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>> > any opinions on Amsoil?

>>
>> This also bring up another good question..... how is their gear oil, say
>> the
>> 90 weight. It was recommended (and used by) the mechanic at the Harley
>> shop
>> for aftermarket transmission fluid changes. Any opinions on this?
>>
>> Fwed

>
> What does Harley recommend for the transmission.


Its not a harley tranny....but for their trannys, they of course
recommend harley tranny fluid..... i had a baker tranny put in, and the
mechanic (a harley mechanic) said he uses amsoil 90 weight gear oil in
that....so since the discussion of amsoil oil wasn't getting high reviews,
if the gear oil was similar in ratings....

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fweddybear <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Scott Dorsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Gear oil is funny stuff and conventional oil tests don't always correlate
>> well with real-world gear wear.

>
> I would imagine temp has alot to do with how well it keeps things coated
>with that thin layer...


Most of the synthetics are very good about viscosity improvement, and they
also have extremely good film strength. As a result, they tend to be better
at keeping surfaces coated at temperature extremes.

The real question, though, is how the stuff holds up under extreme pressure
with high shear levels. Shear strength is a big deal for gear oils.
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Lawrence Glickman wrote:
> On 12 Feb 2006 14:29:08 -0800, "John S." <[email protected]> wrote:
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> >
> >fweddybear wrote:
> >> "I Love Edsels" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]
> >> > any opinions on Amsoil?
> >>
> >> This also bring up another good question..... how is their gear oil, say the
> >> 90 weight. It was recommended (and used by) the mechanic at the Harley shop
> >> for aftermarket transmission fluid changes. Any opinions on this?
> >>
> >> Fwed

> >
> >What does Harley recommend for the transmission.

>
> Amsoil is a ponzi scheme like Amway soap. It might work, but that
> isn't the IDEA behind it. The IDEA behind it is to sell inventory to
> some other sucker ( eh...associate ) so they can find a sucker (
> eh...customer ) or another associate to fall into the same TRAP!
>
> If it *works,* that's icing on the cake.
>


They may be a high pressure sales organization, but I doubt they come
close to being a real ponzi scheme. I doubt that there are many people
on this forum that could provide a meaningful and accurate answer his
qustion "how is their 90 weight oil" about any oil, Amsoil or otherwise.
 
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fweddybear wrote:
> "John S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > fweddybear wrote:
> >> "I Love Edsels" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]
> >> > any opinions on Amsoil?
> >>
> >> This also bring up another good question..... how is their gear oil, say
> >> the
> >> 90 weight. It was recommended (and used by) the mechanic at the Harley
> >> shop
> >> for aftermarket transmission fluid changes. Any opinions on this?
> >>
> >> Fwed

> >
> > What does Harley recommend for the transmission.

>
> Its not a harley tranny....but for their trannys, they of course
> recommend harley tranny fluid..... i had a baker tranny put in, and the
> mechanic (a harley mechanic) said he uses amsoil 90 weight gear oil in
> that....so since the discussion of amsoil oil wasn't getting high reviews,
> if the gear oil was similar in ratings....
>


No matter who made it, I would follow the manufacturers recommendation
first. I think they would be in the best position to determine which
lubricant meets the technical requirements of the gearbox. There are
not many other people who would be able to accurately answer your
question.
 
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"Nate Nagel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > She ran hers to 15,000 miles between changes. No glycol contamination,
> > no condensation.....just Amsoil. And, as it was her car, and her
> > philosophy,
> > I didn't choose to interfere.
> >
> >

>
> With OCIs that long I would be real nervous without either periodic (5K
> miles?) filter changes and/or a bypass filter. But that said a good
> synthetic really should be able to go 15K miles without issues, I
> suspect other problems with that engine like a nonfunctional PCV valve?
>
> Personally, I change my oil every 5K (Porsche 944) with either Mobil 1
> 5W40 or Rotella T syn 5W40 even though the owner's manual says 7500.
> Maybe I'm being over-cautious, but I can't be arsed to mess with used
> oil analyses and without same I just get nervous.


I don't waste my time with oil analyses either.

No, she had no PCV problems. Nothing wrong with the engine, just 15,000
mile change intervals, as far as I could determine.

Amsoil must have a heavy additive package load. I think I may have read
that
somewhere. Lots of oils will 'cook' and decompose with time and
temperature,
we are led to believe. A lot of the damage caused to Toyota, VW, and
similar
engines has been laid to this, although some suggest that the engine design
and PCV specifications play a strong part.

Anyone who wants can use Amsoil and a lot swear by it. Many of the snake
oil comments on this group are based on hearsay, I suspect, rather than
first
hand experience with the product. I am fairly open minded on the subject,
but
choose not to use the product myself.
 
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