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A freind of mine who is a manager of salesman, however you call that, was out here for the 1st time in many years. He works for Opel, which is GM. He wondered why we dont have all that electronic YAW control, etc, stuff in our cars yet. Anyway, he borrowed a Barra and thought it was well built (better than opel but not BMW or Merc), powerful, smooth handled well....
He Hired a new Commodore and the only word he could describe it was is a "HACK" lol, and he works for em! A huge diff between it and the Barra!

I continue to laugh at anyone with a VY exec. One of my mates likes to yell "WHY?" at them!
 

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Interesting...well maybe Ford & Holden should have the likes of Top Gear review XT, Exec, XR's, SS, S, Calais and Fairmonts...just curious to what they would think.
 

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Interesting...well maybe Ford & Holden should have the likes of Top Gear review XT, Exec, XR's, SS, S, Calais and Fairmonts...just curious to what they would think.
Top Gear in our local cars, they would bag the crap out of them (bloody pommy whingers).....but it would be fun to watch them cane them.
 

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yeah bring on a review:TOP GEAR roflmfao yeah i watch them on espn and fox sports sometimes,they are funny ppl'z...
night lurker you can call em if you like *winks*(top gear) im on local calls only (LOL)
 

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I continue to laugh at anyone with a VY exec. One of my mates likes to yell "WHY?" at them!
Anyone who purchases a new family car and settles for the base model really needs to consider what they are doing, and I don't care if its a VY exec, BA XT, or any of the others... Why would you privately purchase a NEW car and settle for the base model, it defies belief....

note: I am not talking about navated leasing or any type of purchasing where the amount or type of vehicle is restricted
 

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Top Gear in our local cars, they would bag the crap out of them (bloody pommy whingers).....but it would be fun to watch them cane them.
I never take note of Top Gear or any other British car reviews. They seem to like to bag the hell out of anything that's not British or European. The will almost certainly bag the hell out of Aussie and US cars (Because they can't beat us in anything else!). I mean these are the people who think Jags and Rovers are well built and dynamic cars.
 

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I would like to hear an honest opinon from someone about how our cars compare to those overseas. Especially European because Australia car makers go to enormous lenths to make our cars look "eurpean" both inside and out. I think that some German cars are overated, the fact that they are built in Germany doesn't always silky smooth and problem free; for example have a look the the BWM 7-series, the richest of all the BM's but has had almost as many problems and the famous Gen-3. I think we have better vechicles here than in the US, but they'd think not obviously.

Would be a pretty interesting comparison though.
 

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Interesting to hear about the Opel guy's thoughts.

Devil CV8:

Devil CV8 said:
... Why would you privately purchase a NEW car and settle for the base model, it defies belief....
...One word: Sleeper !! :hehe:
 

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people buy the base model, because thats who its aimed at... "The People"

there are next level models if you want to be one of "The Other People"

then there's the FPV's and HSV's for the "Rich Cvnt / Mid-Life Crisis People"

the other thing about comparing cars in other countries etc is the fact that, try as they may and unless you test your car in EVERY country you wish to sell it in, the cars will only work "Their Best" in the country/region etc they're designed for...
 

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There is a fair bit of interest in the Ford Falcon from europe. There is a preview from the autoexpress site.. It was in the drive newspaper recently (even tho the review was posted months ago)..

We've found an Australian with a kick that's nearly as good as England rugby hero Jonny Wilkinson's! It's the bargain Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo, which is likely to put a smile back on faces Down Under. In its home market, this car costs $43,995 - that's about £14,500.

Ford brought the model driven here over to this country to prove that it's not only arch-rival Vauxhall which can make Aussie muscle cars. Even if you include our test vehicle's leather trim, automatic gearbox and electric seats, you'd still have change from £20,000.

With a turbocharged straight-six engine belting out 323bhp, the Falcon has plenty of muscle to flex, too - and it doesn't do so subtly. Our car was finished in pearlescent metallic purple, while its flared wheelarches, 18-inch alloy wheels and rear spoiler do little to hide the performance potential.

The XR6 tag also hints at the new-comer's sporting prowess by recalling Fiesta XR2s, Escort XR3s and Sierra XR4s of old. In Australia, the Falcon is the equivalent of a Mondeo in the UK. However, it's nearly a foot longer than a Vauxhall Omega - and difficult not to notice in this colour scheme.

Fire up the engine and you're in no doubt that there's a serious piece of iron throbbing away under the bonnet. Even at idle, the unit sounds incredible. When you engage sports mode on the gearbox and floor the throttle, it's like poking a sleeping lion with a stick. At first, the car grumbles, then, as the turbocharger kicks in, it becomes fierce, growls angrily and leaps forward with the kind of eagerness that will leave lesser sports saloons cowering in fear.

Although not the most agile or dynamic of cars, the Ford has a thrilling rawness that Europe's manufacturers are often all too keen to engineer out. It may be wild, but the Falcon

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isn't hard to tame. The excellent steering has a direct feel, while the rear-drive chassis is twitchy without being unnerving.

Don't expect refinement, though. The archaic four-speed automatic gearbox takes an age to swap between ratios, even when used in manual mode, and has a tendency to clunk when reverse is engaged. Ride quality is firm and, at speed, there's lots of noise in the cab-in - although as most of it is from the sports exhaust, enthusiastic drivers are unlikely to complain. The Falcon lacks the build strength of European Fords, so while the dashboard is attractive and well finished, some plastics on the door trims and switches are poor.

Nevertheless, the XR6 Turbo is an exciting car. What's more, it's built for right-hand-drive markets, so is easy to live with in the UK. While Ford says there are no plans for official Falcon sales here, it should be simple enough to get one, either by bringing it to Britain yourself or using a private importer. The newcomer might not be an out-right winner, but for once the Aussies have scored a pretty good try!
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As you can see, they essentially liked it. I've enquired on various european forums, there is some potential in the UK. However germans seem very receptive to its "bland" styling where in the UK it would need more bodykit, more aggression, they have this idea from various HSV's, that aussie cars have to wear alot of kit. Germans also seem to like the mechanical specifications, you would have to pitch it at a niche of buyers, but they are there. Being RHD may not be a massive inhibitation you might think it is here.

To european eyes, the falcon is one of the very few Fords that actually has a presence. As good as the Focus and Mondeo are, they dull a bit in comparison to say a 5 series or E class. And they are still getting over the Scorpio. Also, there is some interest in the G220 Fairlane, maybe a G220 Fairmont.

However, HID lights would need to atleast be a option, and a few other minor changes would make it much more appealing.

The reason why anyone buys say a HSV in europe is because comparible european sedans can sometimes leave you a little cold because all of the electrics and technologies keeping you on the road. Some like it cold, some like it hot. Plus to get into a 320+ PS car would be huge money.

Thats why people like TVR and Lotus can get away with no powersteering, no ABS, no power assisted brakes, forget traction control or other such fun killers.

Autoexpress was a ok start to help the worldwide identity of the falcon. But if that car is still in UK maybe arrange for autobild http://www.autobild.de/ to have a looky at it.

Our cars don't have all the electric tricks of say a BMW or a Merc or Audi because it adds costs to the car, takes time money and expertise to develop and adjust, and there is little demand for it generally here. Where just getting four channel ABS and traction control.
 

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I have also seen a Top Gear episode from years ago where they reviewed a HSV GTS (or GTS-R as they called it).. I think it was a VT-II... Correct me if im wrong
 

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Devil CV8 said:
Anyone who purchases a new family car and settles for the base model really needs to consider what they are doing, and I don't care if its a VY exec, BA XT, or any of the others... Why would you privately purchase a NEW car and settle for the base model, it defies belief....
Insurance...thats why. Under 25 insurance for an XR is unbeliveably expensive. I needed a new car so I settled for a base model.

I know top gear comments are funny and silly but I just want to see what they think of the car for its price..
 

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Interesting to see what people from overseas think....glad to hear the guy wasn't bagging the blue oval!

I want to see some overseas reviews of the GT...just to make the people over there drool some more.
 

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Have a crack at what this Pommy baxtard is saying about us!!!

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On the face of it, this sounds even more hare-brained because Australia is not exactly ground zero when it comes to engineering innovation or excellence. Indeed, in the country's entire 200 year history, their only contribution has been the rotary washing line.

There are no Aussie planes, no Aussie food blenders or cameras or microwave ovens. Even my barbecue set was made in Canada. And, so far as cars are concerned, it's even worse. There was a bloke called James Holden who started out making saddles for horses and then after just 10 years of making motorcycle side cars was bought out by General Motors. And then presumably went to join the rest of the continent in the pub.

Nonetheless, today, there are still cars that bear his name and one of them has been singled out by Vauxhall as The Next Big Thing to hit Britain. God knows why. Choosing to buy an Australian car is a bit like choosing to drink a German wine. Why do you think all Australian motoring journalists end up over here? Because there's bugger all to do at home. Cars. It's just not what they do well.
Cars. Its just not what they do well???

Well, sorry!!! The GTHO Falcon and A9X Torana were under your offerings of the day?

What a tosser!!
 

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The GTHO was the fastest 4 door in the world at one stage, what a looser, poms always have a shot at Aussies when they can, even tho they clearly like the xr6t, they still put in a couple of cheap ones. Sad how they put the score of the rugby on the number as well, spose we can let em have 1 win now and again..

The Top Gear review of the GT40 is nothing short of glowing btw, especially considering he's a huge GT40 fan, but he said it massively exceeded even his expectations. He said it destroys any of the Ferraris except the Enzo, which is like 6 times the price of a new GT40.
 

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Good read Phido,interseting to see the other perspective from the european market.
Cheers John
 

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ghentboy said:
I have also seen a Top Gear episode from years ago where they reviewed a HSV GTS (or GTS-R as they called it).. I think it was a VT-II... Correct me if im wrong
Yes you are spot on ghentboy. I still have that Top Gear episode on tape somewhere. It was Vicky Butler Henderson driving the VTII GTS (called the GTS-R over in the U.K). She gave the car a right thrashing and loved it!
 

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what a looser, poms always have a shot at Aussies when they can. Sad how they put the score of the rugby on the number as well, spose we can let em have 1 win now and again..
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Did they win anything before the boar war? I cant remember the pomms winning anything since. Would they like a game of cricket?
 
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