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BA Fog Lamps

Ok guys and gals who is up to date on there road rules re: daytime use of front auxilliary lights.

My understanding of the legal use of is as follows but the only rule I find in the Aus road rules is lamps must not dazzle. That is kinda subjective and makes anyone using lamps easy picking for any plod with a low quota and a bad hair day.

In the handbook Ford call the bumper mounted lamps on the BA XR Fog lamps, on the VY the bumper mouted lamps are referred to as driving lamps.
Both are factory wired with the the parking lamps and operate independant of headlight beam.

Unlike the $40 plastic accessory specials hand screwed to the average ricer, the factory lamps on the BA XR do not dazzle(well its my opinion - subjective rule that one)

Driving a Merc Silver car, and particularly on overcast days, I like to turn on these lamps to be seen rather than to aid my own vision.

Is it legal to use a fog lamp when there is no fog?

has anyone been booked lately for improper use of lamps?
 

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Umm that was Fog Lamps, Fox lamps are only found on tops of utes, and on range rovers in english counties.

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It's different from state to state. Following is a link to the Vicroads Vehicle Standards Information sheet for lighting:

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrne/vrninte.nsf/LinkView/4D5F6A45D40F4986CA256B6100044390A0E6B550C59A6444204A171BCD2A5F8F

Section 7.1 says you can have 2 additional pairs of driving lights which must be switched off when high beam is switched off, section 7.7 says you can have 2 fog lights which comply with ADR 50.

If Commodore SS/HSV lights are termed "driving lights" then they would not comply with this in Vic, even as "fog lights" they frequently cause dazzle. Apparently they can be aimed by dealers.
 

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I find the higher-spec models (SS & Calais) from Holden have bad enough headlights in the first place, let alone their fog-lights. They change from purple-green instead of a consistent bright white as seen on BMWs and Mercs etc. Sorry to be off topic!
 

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Fog lights are illegal to have on in NSW, unless there is "inclement weather" (i.e. raining or foggy).
Driving lights would be treated as high beams.

While it is possible for them to book you, if they are not dazzling (like most of the SS commo's do), I'd say they are more than likely to turn a blind eye to it (I'm fairly sure I've seen a cop with driving lights running during the day).

That said, its still a risk - like the dangly things from the rear view mirror . . .

Personally, they shit me - if you want to be seen, have your headlights on, otherwise, your being a ricer / :wank: imo . . . But each to their own . . .
 

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XR8 Lamah said:
Personally, they shit me - if you want to be seen, have your headlights on, otherwise, your being a ricer / :wank: imo . . . But each to their own . . .
A ricer, man thats nasty! :>

Next time I run the fogs on their own, I'll have to rememeber to tilt the seat right back and load some doof-doof on the cd.

The way you called it is how I remember the laws but cant find anything written in the current rules shown on the NSW RTA site.
 

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Just to throw one in the ring, by definition a "fog lamp" is actually yellow in colour. The driving lights on the Falcs and Commies would be useless in a real fog. The yellow light "penetrates" the fog whereas a normal light would not. Just a little trivia....

That aside, I prefer to drive with mine on, having a black car I feel it improves with visibilty not matter if it is inclement or not. Have driven past and along side many cops and havent had an issue yet. Call me rice, I dont care, but I'll continue to drive with them on. Be safe, be seen.
 

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First off, the VY lights are FOG lights, not driving lights
http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/action/featurelist?modelid=4005&catid=9999. I'd like to see where any holden handbook says they are driving lights.

NSW rules are fog lights only when adverse atmospheric conditions prevail.

And in no definition does a fog light have to be yellow, what is more important is the height of the fog lamps from the road way and the shape of the reflector
 

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Re: BA *Fog* Lamps

**RANT ON**
This is a pet hate of mine.

Irrespective of what the laws in each state say, people using fog / driving lights in suburban streets at night (and especially in the wet) are irritating to say the least. If the only way you can attract attention to your car and to yourself is to hinder the vision of other drivers, then you are an asshole and I suggest you catch the freakin' bus!

I really hope all you BA owners out there don't become jerks like your Holden SS / HSV comrades in this respect.
**RANT OFF**
 

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Devil CV8 said:
First off, the VY lights are FOG lights, not driving lights
http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/action/featurelist?modelid=4005&catid=9999. I'd like to see where any holden handbook says they are driving lights.

NSW rules are fog lights only when adverse atmospheric conditions prevail.

And in no definition does a fog light have to be yellow, what is more important is the height of the fog lamps from the road way and the shape of the reflector
Plus their alignment to a point ahead of the car that is not going to reflect the beam off the fog and back into the drivers eyes causing a "white out". If they can dazzle an oncoming drivers eyes in totally clear conditions then they are obviously not aligned for use as a fog light which is the issue that most irritates anyone not arrogant/stupid enough to drive any vehicle with them turned on. Unfortunately the biggest number of culprits are those behind the wheel of SS's and HSV's. Yes, Devil CV8, some stupid XR drivers are doing the same, the only saving grace is that Ford somehow manages to align their lights with the other driver's interests taken into consideration. Or is it that the inferior rear suspension of the V series can't keep the rear end squat incheck? :1poke:
 

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First off, the VY lights are FOG lights, not driving lights
http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden...4005&catid=9999. I'd like to see where any holden handbook says they are driving lights.

NSW rules are fog lights only when adverse atmospheric conditions prevail.

And in no definition does a fog light have to be yellow, what is more important is the height of the fog lamps from the road way and the shape of the reflector
In a fog, there is a high moisture content, and the white light is lost due to the wavelength of the light and the scattering effect of the water droplets. The yellow wavelength is 100 times better in a true fog situation. Having said that, we dont generally get a true fog in australia so they are generally useless here. Look at the European and import jap cars...yellow.
The cars sold in australia with clear lights are driving lights Height and alingment are insignificant secondary factors. I dont really give care what Holden call them. Thats like saying HM make headers and not extractors.
A TRUE fog light is yellow - any other colour light is ineffective.
 

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Come on people the thread was started as a genuine question, not a Holden V Ford bash.

Devil you are correct, I quizzed my CV8R mate this afternoon and he swore the lamp were driving lamps, but a look through his handbook says they are fogs.

Using lamps to gain attention to your car serves no purpose, but I beleive at time the fogs may cause less dazzle than low beam headlights. The Australian road rules are most specific that lights must not dazzle oncoming drivers.

It serves no point to bash the SS drivers when it appears the issue is with correct adjustment that is the responsability of the individual owner and any lamp incorrectly aimed will be less effective and a nuisance to others.

A lot is personal preference, my problem is with the issue of tickets on a random basis backed by imprecise worded traffic ruled.

Acessory lamps incorrectly set do dazzle, but then so do poorly aimed low beam headlamps. I've never heard of any one getting a ticket for badly aimed lamps from an AU povvo pak, and these are the worst when they are set high. And those damn rear fog lamps or korean nastys.

I dont see any stardard measure of dazzle, or inclement weather, so how can anyone be fined on incorrect usage. Its all subjective, just another of those fine that can be pulled out when throwing the book at someone, or in desperation to find something to fine.

Obviously we all have different preferences, and if your running lamps just to impress, don't, you are probably pee-ing off more people than you think.
As for making your vehicle more visible common sense should prevail.

Why are road rules that would be easy to define so vague?
 
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