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Gota be Happy with a Hump
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Hi there,
Does anyone else out there have a problem with their XR8 cutting out at any time, any place, any revs?
Being an auto by the time you put it in neutral and restart it you could have been run over by the semi boring down on you at 120kph.
According to the dealer I am the only one in the world with the problem, and as it does not show as an error when they analyse it so they can't help me.
The fault appears to be random so I can't get it to happen with the service tech in the ute.
The problem has been there since day one and now done 10,000km.
Fitting a Herrod exhaust and unichip made no difference.
Any help/ideas would be appreciated as Ford itself does not seem interested, which is dissapointing.

Thanks, MYV8
 

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Did it do it prior to the exhaust?
The only issues like you describe have normally been experienced by Boss owners after replacing the extractors (the o2 sensor gets moved further back on some systems fooling the computer).
I have never had my XR8 stall in 8000 kms of driving.
 

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I'm a software developer/programmer and the issue of not registering on the fault log concerns me, but having said this I'd say that there is something designed to tell the engine to stop that is simply not working properly and firing off an instruction to kill the engine when you least expect it to.. (yes I know this might seem obvious) but this makes me think it's something related to the key, ignition barrel or the engine management software/system.

The engine management system takes input from all over the place and if something goes wrong it's meant to log the fault then if it can recover or adjust it does, it may also turn on a warning light/alarm but if it can't recover it then sends a message to stop the engine.

Since turning the key backwards is the only thing I can think of that the management system should be accepting input from that shouldn't be considered a fault I'd focus my attention there and everything between it and including the engine management system.

So..

If you have the radio on when the engine dies, does is stay on.. as in like you just keyed it back to the key notch before 'run'..? or do the entire electricals on the car die..? If you've never had the radio on when it's died, how about the headlights..? does the headlight warning tone go off..? this might back up the idea of a faulty ignition barrel if everything else stays working but not the engine.

If you haven't done so already I'd ask the service guys to check inside the steering column, in and around the barrel and make sure everything connects properly, and or ask for the engine management system to be flashed or reset.

Also...

Do you have a heavy set of keys.. could the key be twisting backwards under the weight and effectively turning the car off without you realising it..?

Let us know how you get on.

Good luck

Steve
 

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XR6na said:
Did it do it prior to the exhaust?
The only issues like you describe have normally been experienced by Boss owners after replacing the extractors (the o2 sensor gets moved further back on some systems fooling the computer).
I have never had my XR8 stall in 8000 kms of driving.

Gidday Brett,

Thanks for the reply.
The first time the ute stopped was on the second day I had it, completely standard, doing about 30km/h thru a housing estate. Altough it is autotrans I thought it must have just stalled.
It probably did it 4 times before I got the exhaust, which is a herrod cat back system.
The dealer checked it out completely standard and could find nothing wrong.
I drained the petrol tank in case I got a dose of crap petrol but that made no difference.
At one stage I thought that it only happened when I did not use Optimax, but I have since discounted that theory.
It is just like turning the ignition off momentarily, no coughs or splutters, just instant stop.
It has probably done it 20 times in 10,000km.
It is not really confidence enspiring when you try to cross an intersection quickly, in case it stops half way.

Cheers,

Chris
 

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SteevO said:
I'm a software developer/programmer and the issue of not registering on the fault log concerns me, but having said this I'd say that there is something designed to tell the engine to stop that is simply not working properly and firing off an instruction to kill the engine when you least expect it to.. (yes I know this might seem obvious) but this makes me think it's something related to the key, ignition barrel or the engine management software/system.

The engine management system takes input from all over the place and if something goes wrong it's meant to log the fault then if it can recover or adjust it does, it may also turn on a warning light/alarm but if it can't recover it then sends a message to stop the engine.

Since turning the key backwards is the only thing I can think of that the management system should be accepting input from that shouldn't be considered a fault I'd focus my attention there and everything between it and including the engine management system.

So..

If you have the radio on when the engine dies, does is stay on.. as in like you just keyed it back to the key notch before 'run'..? or do the entire electricals on the car die..? If you've never had the radio on when it's died, how about the headlights..? does the headlight warning tone go off..? this might back up the idea of a faulty ignition barrel if everything else stays working but not the engine.

If you haven't done so already I'd ask the service guys to check inside the steering column, in and around the barrel and make sure everything connects properly, and or ask for the engine management system to be flashed or reset.

Also...

Do you have a heavy set of keys.. could the key be twisting backwards under the weight and effectively turning the car off without you realising it..?

Let us know how you get on.

Good luck

Steve

Gidday Steve,

A lot of food for thought.
The first time I took it back they said they reset the computer.
As everthing happens so quickly I am not sure if everthing goes off or not. I think the dash looks normal apart from the tacho reading 0 and the ignition light on.
I will have to study things more next time it happens.
Thanks for your input.


Cheers,

Chris
 

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probably not relevent, but back in '88 when my dad bought a ZL fairlane he had a similar problem. randomly it would suddenly stall. the ford dealer couldnt figure it out, they cleaned the injectors about 20x, they even put a little shock absorber on the acceletator because apparently my mum was "backing off too quickly". it kept going back to the ford dealer for many months and finally my dad cracked the shits at them because my mum refused to drive it (it would stall 1/2 way through a corner and she'd lose her power steering). Finally they found the problem.

the coolant temperature sensor was faulty and suddenly would tell teh computer that the engine was cold and it would overfuel it - causing it to stall.
 

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They got a software flush for it months ago, and since I've had mine done, no more random stalling.
The flush does more than just resetting the computer as it sits. Make sure they do that next time you go in.

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MYV8 said:
Gidday Brett,

Thanks for the reply.
The first time the ute stopped was on the second day I had it, completely standard, doing about 30km/h thru a housing estate. Altough it is autotrans I thought it must have just stalled.
It probably did it 4 times before I got the exhaust, which is a herrod cat back system.
The dealer checked it out completely standard and could find nothing wrong.
I drained the petrol tank in case I got a dose of crap petrol but that made no difference.
At one stage I thought that it only happened when I did not use Optimax, but I have since discounted that theory.
It is just like turning the ignition off momentarily, no coughs or splutters, just instant stop.
It has probably done it 20 times in 10,000km.
It is not really confidence enspiring when you try to cross an intersection quickly, in case it stops half way.

Cheers,

Chris
Hi Chris,

From what you have said there it sounds more electrical than anything else if it just cuts out.....
I am surprised that there is no fault code logged, this will be hard to for Ford to diagnose, maybe they need to start replacing parts?
 

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Black Kat said:
They got a software flush for it months ago, and since I've had mine done, no more random stalling.
The flush does more than just resetting the computer as it sits. Make sure they do that next time you go in.

:)

Gidday Black Kat,

Thanks for the info.
I gather from your reply that you must have had a similar problem, which is interesting, because when I rang my service manager yesterday, he said that he had talked to FORD regarding my problem and they know of no such problem. He definately did not suggest a computer flush or any other solution.
He said the only fix they had was for a XR6T computer/turbo problem, which is not much help for an XR8.

Do you know of anyone else that has had there XR8 cut-out?
If there is a few cases about, I can then put it to my dealer that they are full of crap, when they tell me I am the only one and it probably doesn't happen at all.


Cheers, Chris
 

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MYV8 said:
Gidday Black Kat,

Thanks for the info.
I gather from your reply that you must have had a similar problem, which is interesting, because when I rang my service manager yesterday, he said that he had talked to FORD regarding my problem and they know of no such problem. He definately did not suggest a computer flush or any other solution.
He said the only fix they had was for a XR6T computer/turbo problem, which is not much help for an XR8.

Do you know of anyone else that has had there XR8 cut-out?
If there is a few cases about, I can then put it to my dealer that they are full of crap, when they tell me I am the only one and it probably doesn't happen at all.



Cheers, Chris

Yes there are several of us. There are other threads under the topic of either "stalling" or "cutting out". When I spoke to the Ford CRC they said there were a couple of others. I suggested they read the Forums, because there are more than just a couple.
 

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Yes there are several of us. There are other threads under the topic of either "stalling" or "cutting out". When I spoke to the Ford CRC they said there were a couple of others. I suggested they read the Forums, because there are more than just a couple.

Just got back from a 45min phone call to Ford CRC in Melbourne, who assures me that there is no stalling problem with the BA XR8 and never has been, irrespective of how many people on forums supposedley have a problem.
He suggests that I leave my pride and joy at the dealers and let them drive it for as long as it takes to replicate the problem, to prove that there is a problem. Yeah sure!!!!!
Nice Ford Ute, pity about a few *ankers Ford employs.

I'm off to the dealers with a hand full of posts, just hoping they say "Never heard of that problem before".


My blood is boiling,

Chris
 

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MYV8 said:
Just got back from a 45min phone call to Ford CRC in Melbourne, who assures me that there is no stalling problem with the BA XR8 and never has been, irrespective of how many people on forums supposedley have a problem.
He suggests that I leave my pride and joy at the dealers and let them drive it for as long as it takes to replicate the problem, to prove that there is a problem. Yeah sure!!!!!
Nice Ford Ute, pity about a few *ankers Ford employs.

I'm off to the dealers with a hand full of posts, just hoping they say "Never heard of that problem before".


My blood is boiling,

Chris
I took my ute to 3 dealers before it got fixed, the first 2 blamed my exhaust but the 3rd one fixed it.
 

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Chris,

This was a well known probelm with the BA XR8's, but a ECU flash given to the car's (effected or not) at service time addressed most cases. I deal with Jarvis Ford in Norwood, SA and it was the first thing they mentioned when getting my 3000k service. Ask your dealer to contact the service department at Norwood. 1300 13 77 55 or www.jarvis-ford.com.au
 

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Software updates are an ongoing thing. When you take your car in for a service they load the latest version any how. I don't know what happens though if it's not serviced by a Ford dealership. I had my first reflash in around march 2003, and a computer change and a throttle body change, and then more updates. I wonder if I suggest they change my O2 sensors.
 

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Just got back from my meeting with the lack of Service Manager and after I showed him the bundle of posts regarding "stalling" he admitted that the problem did exist but Ford would not allow anyone to acknowledge that there was a problem.
He said they are still working on a total fix but as yet they haven't solved all of the cases.
They will reflash my computer on Thursday so maybe I could be one of the lucky ones that gets it fixed.
The thing that annoys me the most about the whole matter is the way they treat you like s**t, until they can't deny the problem any longer.

When I had the $60,000 Explorer Limited they treated me like a king,
maybe that was because they knew that was a piece of American Crap and didn't try to deny it!!!!!


Chris
 

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MYV8 said:
Just got back from my meeting with the lack of Service Manager and after I showed him the bundle of posts regarding "stalling" he admitted that the problem did exist but Ford would not allow anyone to acknowledge that there was a problem.

I think he's pulling your leg. It’s a software glitch which Ford has already addressed a long time ago. I think he is just covering up for his own incompetence, using Ford as the excuse.

Good to hear our forum has been useful Chris :hy:
 

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I think he's pulling your leg. It’s a software glitch which Ford has already addressed a long time ago. I think he is just covering up for his own incompetence, using Ford as the excuse.

Good to hear our forum has been useful Chris :hy:
That doesn't account for Ford Customer Service in Melbourne where I spent 45 mins on the phone bashing my head against a wall while they denied the problem, but I know what you mean.

The forum is great, I wish I had of found it a long time ago. Hopefully I can be of help to someone in the future.

Regards,

Chris.
 

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my mums does it sum times when u stop it just turns off and before it had the exhaust on u didnt know it a turned of and u would go to take off and there was nothin. it was weird. it only seams to do it in a cold or rainy day.
 

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CDAA said:
I think he's pulling your leg. It’s a software glitch which Ford has already addressed a long time ago. I think he is just covering up for his own incompetence, using Ford as the excuse.

Good to hear our forum has been useful Chris :hy:

If it's a software glitch they have already addressed, are you saying it's fixed or did they just admit it's a problem. Mines not fixed and I'm still waiting for the new pcm to arrive.

Chris's dealings are exactly the same as something I heard a while ago with Commodore break shudder. The dealer denied it until the customer brought out a pile of paper work detailing the problem. And it probably is true that Ford tell the dealers to deny everything. Imaginine if they admitted to everything, they'd have a full time job doing fixes.
 

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In my case the ECU flash fixed the stalling issue which was back in June this year. The service department knew about the issue and claimed the stalling insident was a glitch in the computer programing which the flash would/should address.

If it doesn't work, then it maybe another issue altogether. I think we need to understand that we're all are talking openly here. There could be many reasons why a car would stall and no one can guarantee that any one 'fix' will work for everybody. I do think however it's worth investigating.
 
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