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MYV8 said:
Do you know of anyone else that has had there XR8 cut-out?
If there is a few cases about, I can then put it to my dealer that they are full of crap, when they tell me I am the only one and it probably doesn't happen at all.


Cheers, Chris
Hey mate,
Ive got an xr8 ute, 5 speed, and it stalls like anything. Sometimes once a day,sometimes 3-4 times a day and some days not at all.
Its real annoying since the dealer told me that they re flashed the software or wateva and it still does it now. The car has 15,000km's and has been doing it since new.Im lucky enough to be going under 50-60km/h at the most when it happens.

Also, there is another thing, sometimes when i start the car, the engine light comes on, and the car idles like a pig, on 4 cylinders, and i have to turn it off and restart it for it to go normal again. A couple of times ive had to turn it on and off 3-4 times to get it goin right.

Im still trying to find time to get it all fixed.
Good luck with it all. Also which dealer do you go to ? PM me if you want.
Cheers
Tony.
 

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When i say stall in my reply up above, i mean stall as in cut-out , not stalling because of the clutch, but the motor just cutting out.
 

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MYV8 said:
Gidday Black Kat,

Thanks for the info.
I gather from your reply that you must have had a similar problem, which is interesting, because when I rang my service manager yesterday, he said that he had talked to FORD regarding my problem and they know of no such problem. He definately did not suggest a computer flush or any other solution.
He said the only fix they had was for a XR6T computer/turbo problem, which is not much help for an XR8.

Do you know of anyone else that has had there XR8 cut-out?
If there is a few cases about, I can then put it to my dealer that they are full of crap, when they tell me I am the only one and it probably doesn't happen at all.


Cheers, Chris
Well you can tell them mine did it too.
I gave her the boot as I straightened up turning left at a set of lights in second (auto) and she was only around 3000 revs and she completely shut down for an instant (maybe 1.5 to 2 seconds) then took off again.
It was like the rev limiter kicking in but I was nowhere near it.
She has now also stalled twice, but not for around 2 weeks now.
The shutdown incident was last week going to work, it completely stuffed up my overtaking the semi I had just had to give way to!
She is going in on Thursday for her complimentary inspection (got 4000k's up) so I'll be reporting the stalls and cut out.
But geez I love her!!!!
 

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XcelR8 said:
Well you can tell them mine did it too.
I gave her the boot as I straightened up turning left at a set of lights in second (auto) and she was only around 3000 revs and she completely shut down for an instant (maybe 1.5 to 2 seconds) then took off again.
It was like the rev limiter kicking in but I was nowhere near it.
She has now also stalled twice, but not for around 2 weeks now.
The shutdown incident was last week going to work, it completely stuffed up my overtaking the semi I had just had to give way to!
She is going in on Thursday for her complimentary inspection (got 4000k's up) so I'll be reporting the stalls and cut out.
But geez I love her!!!!

Gidday,

Interesting to read your post because it sounds identical to mine, being auto and all that.
When the Service Manager finally admitted the problem to me yesterday he told the booking clerk to book it in for a reflash because of stalling on DECELLERATION.
I told him it was not necessarilly on decelleration but anytime. He reckoned he had never heard of it on accelleration before.
Maybe he is still trying to have a lend of me!!!
I no longer try to use the Boss 260 grunt at the lights etc because I get embarrassed when it stalls.
It has definately happened on mine, mid 2nd gear, under heavy accelleration but no where near the rev limiter.
Initially I thought it might be a rev limiter problem but when testing different theories I have hit the limiter with no stalling.
Then again it has happened while just cruising heaps as well.

See if they fix it tomorrow.

Cheers, Chris
 

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Hey mate,
Ive got an xr8 ute, 5 speed, and it stalls like anything. Sometimes once a day,sometimes 3-4 times a day and some days not at all.
Its real annoying since the dealer told me that they re flashed the software or wateva and it still does it now. The car has 15,000km's and has been doing it since new.Im lucky enough to be going under 50-60km/h at the most when it happens.

Also, there is another thing, sometimes when i start the car, the engine light comes on, and the car idles like a pig, on 4 cylinders, and i have to turn it off and restart it for it to go normal again. A couple of times ive had to turn it on and off 3-4 times to get it goin right.

Im still trying to find time to get it all fixed.
Good luck with it all. Also which dealer do you go to ? PM me if you want.
Cheers
Tony.
This does sound like O2 sensor problems. However the engine will do the start problem if you leave it for a few days and it doesn't start early in the crank. This is a software control, you need to turn the ignition all the way off, wait a few seconds and then start the car for it to work again, mine does this every month or two, You would find if you drove off with it idling bad then the computer would shut off the throttle and you would then be forced to turn it off and on again
 

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I have had this problem, for 8 months in my BA XR8, reflash after reflash, everything ripped out of the engine (allegedly) coil packs, plugs, connections, compression tests to find no answer for this problem.

Been left with the dealer for about 4 weeks in 8 months, only to find no fault codes, at all. For 5 days out of 7 ran bloody well, then start up on day 6 and it was a dog, but never when the dealer had it.

Then a tech found the Crank Angle Sensor connection with moisture / water in it. They said this can cause untold problems as it picks up the position of the crank for the computer to calculate and let it do what it does best. Thus fault does not leave a fault code. Odd really, but true!!..I thought it measured every thing!!!!! so far all is well, runs like a dream, and power to boot, no misfire, no poor economy, just power on tap.

Apparenlty the positon it is located in ( you will find it on the engine near the air con compressor, black sensor) makes water ingress a common event.

Hope it helps

They cleaned and dried the connection sealed it and as I said so far not a problem..
 

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MYV8 said:
Gidday,

Interesting to read your post because it sounds identical to mine, being auto and all that.
When the Service Manager finally admitted the problem to me yesterday he told the booking clerk to book it in for a reflash because of stalling on DECELLERATION.
I told him it was not necessarilly on decelleration but anytime. He reckoned he had never heard of it on accelleration before.
Maybe he is still trying to have a lend of me!!!
I no longer try to use the Boss 260 grunt at the lights etc because I get embarrassed when it stalls.
It has definately happened on mine, mid 2nd gear, under heavy accelleration but no where near the rev limiter.
Initially I thought it might be a rev limiter problem but when testing different theories I have hit the limiter with no stalling.
Then again it has happened while just cruising heaps as well.

See if they fix it tomorrow.

Cheers, Chris
Fortunately she has only stalled twice and cut out the once when it did'nt really matter, so I have'nt been embarassed leaving the opposition behind on those odd occassions. (and I'm happy about that!!!)
They reflashed her today no arguments at all, so I hope thats the last I'll see of the two abnormalities.
I'll report them on the XR8 forum if they happen again.
Hope the reflash fixes yours. Hell I hope it's fixed mine too!
 

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On the issue of stall like problem on accelleration, may be to do with the ABS system, and traction control. It detects the wheel slip and may be coming in under hard acceleration. it will from what I have been told cut the power, for a split second.

Traction control is always on in the MKI BA XR8, try switching it off, light will come on in the dash. OR leave it on, and keep an eye out for the quick flash of the light if you boot it, especially around a corner. This system is very quick to detect wheel spin, and cut the power.

I had an issue with this as well, as part of my overal problem, thinking it is all connected, or I was thinking it ws goign to do an AU fuel pickup problem. no just a very smart system!!

Cheers all
 

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Had the computer reflashed on thurs morning and all the earth points checked/tightened which worked well for a day.
The car cut-out on the way home from work yesterday, so I guess my particular problem has not been fixed by the reflash.

Back to the drawing board :read: back on Fords case again.

C Ya,

Chris :AAHHH:
 

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Call Ford Customer Service thats what they are ther for ask for Alex
I have had intermittent problems with my BA XR8 for 18 months
No fault codes come up, when I spoke to Ford last week ALex (customer service department)said why did'nt you call me?
I was under the impression that they (FORD) had SERVICE DIVISIONS so that is where I have been going for the last 18 months WHAT A WASTE OF TIME
But I would like to say if their is a Dealer that is doing everything in its power its Brian Glynn Ford (Lilydale)
 

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Has anyone stopped and thought about the legal aspect if your car stalls and you have an accident who wears the blame? I checked my insurance policy and asked my insurer and guess what I am to blame because I operated the car in an unsafe and unroadworthy condition they will not pay a cent.
I guess lots of money and a lawsuit later or maybe for the government to step in and ask why these cars are allowed on the road in this condition. If they are really concerned about the road toll and road safety.
And no flash upgrade fixes the problem it slows it down but does not fix it and every ba falcon will do it in the right conditions.
 

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Get the STEALTH installed at Herrods and your problems will go away.
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Get the STEALTH installed at Herrods and your problems will go away.
Cheers John
More to the point - lift the idle 150rpm problem solvered. Stealth or sct advantage and maybe aps boss edit but there have been no results there yet...
 

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More to the point - lift the idle 150rpm problem solvered. Stealth or sct advantage and maybe aps boss edit but there have been no results there yet...
Lifting the idle does not work as that was done to ours and it stalled a week later.
 

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Lifting the idle does not work as that was done to ours and it stalled a week later.
lifting the idle via the throttle body (just like the older ea/eb/ed/ef/els) will not work as the pcm will re learn to the new "setting" with the fly by wire system. However lifting the idle via programming will work. This has been confirmed. Sorry should have clarified what i was typing :) :angel:
 

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lifting the idle via the throttle body (just like the older ea/eb/ed/ef/els) will not work as the pcm will re learn to the new "setting" with the fly by wire system. However lifting the idle via programming will work. This has been confirmed. Sorry should have clarified what i was typing :) :angel:
Lifting the idle by programming is what I thought you meant and it still does not help it we had this done 8 months ago still stalls, slows it down a hell of a lot but does not fix it.
 

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Lifting the idle by programming is what I thought you meant and it still does not help it we had this done 8 months ago still stalls, slows it down a hell of a lot but does not fix it.
Explain how if you lift the idle by say 150rpm across all pcm "maps" it will not fix the stalling problem?? If thats the case what causes the stalling? The factory ford maps have the idle set too low due to emmisions and many other factors. Over ride the factory program (by the stealth, advantage or boss edit if you want to wait) and the problem will be solved and you will get at lot nicer vehicle to drive! If yours was done 8 monthes ago it would have been by the factory program via the WDS. :zzz:
 

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Explain how if you lift the idle by say 150rpm across all pcm "maps" it will not fix the stalling problem?? If thats the case what causes the stalling? The factory ford maps have the idle set too low due to emmisions and many other factors. Over ride the factory program (by the stealth, advantage or boss edit if you want to wait) and the problem will be solved and you will get at lot nicer vehicle to drive! If yours was done 8 monthes ago it would have been by the factory program via the WDS. :zzz:
Ford sent some engineers out to us for four days to see what the hell was going on with the car as all the flashes were doing nothing no they did not use the wds as they had their laptops and data loggers with them and I had the chance to spend some days with them to go through the problems yes I watched them enter passwords to enter every aspect of tuning the car. Not only did they lift the idle but they also did some fuel trims as well. The issue is the purge and when it does it. The car was a hell of a lot nicer to drive but it still stalled. We get constant 41deg and over days were I live so it it is a unique issue as they are still trying to solve it. But then again what would the engineers who built the car know.
 

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Ford sent some engineers out to us for four days to see what the hell was going on with the car as all the flashes were doing nothing no they did not use the wds as they had their laptops and data loggers with them and I had the chance to spend some days with them to go through the problems yes I watched them enter passwords to enter every aspect of tuning the car. Not only did they lift the idle but they also did some fuel trims as well. The issue is the purge and when it does it. The car was a hell of a lot nicer to drive but it still stalled. We get constant 41deg and over days were I live so it it is a unique issue as they are still trying to solve it. But then again what would the engineers who built the car know.
Was this all arranged through your local ford dealer? If the problem was the purge valve timing what happened when they turned it off? That is all controlled by the pcm and can be changed by reprogramming. If the engineers know the problem why dont they fix it? Coz their hands are tied not that i know.............
 
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