Ford Forums banner

1 - 20 of 31 Posts

·
Registered User
Joined
·
2,153 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
Not that NSW is much better, but I'm glad I don't live or drive in Victoria. This was in todays Australian newspaper editorial section:

Bracks budgets for fast cars


IN finding new and ever more devious ways to extract money without appearing to raise taxes, the Victorian Government excels. This week's budget includes income of <b>$483 million from police fines – up 25 per cent on last year</b>. Most of these collections will be for speeding and other driving offences. Achieving the projected budget surplus of $245 million now depends on police tax-gathering. And with <b>estimates that two in three drivers will have to be fined to hit the target</b>, Victoria's police have their work cut out for them.

But there is an unpleasant ambiguity in the Government's plan. Police Minister Andre Haermeyer has previously stated he welcomes lower revenues from speed cameras if it means lives were being saved because motorists, fearing fines, had slowed down. Figures released just days before the budget show that the minister's hope is coming true, with 70,000 fines generated by speed cameras in March – down from 86,000 in November last year. For a Government committed to cutting the road toll, the river of revenue Treasury eagerly anticipates can be nothing more than a lucky by-product of its core commitment to making the roads safer and one which will rapidly evaporate as better driving reduces the cash flow. But by budgeting for an increase in revenue it seems the Government is expecting the police to catch more of the state's already better behaved drivers. Whatever the Government says, it looks like the focus is on making money rather than reducing the road toll – instead of the other way around.

For a deterrent to work it must be recognised as real. This means that Victorians should be told the general location of the reported 40 plus new cameras. They will work it out anyway and if the Government is more interested in reducing road risk than making money, there is no reason not to publicise their location or make public who decided their location and why. And yet when The Australian asked the police officer in charge of traffic, as reported yesterday, for the number and locations of speed cameras, he declined to comment. Nor would his pol itical masters, claiming that to tell people where speed cameras are will reduce their deterrent impact. So it will except, when publicised at black spots with high accident rates, as a direct tactic to force drivers to take care. The Government should announce the locations of cameras and the reasons for placing them there. It might reduce the budget surplus but it would demonstrate that it is targeting dangerous roads, not drivers' wallets.

There is a have your say section on this story at the bottom of this page:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,6403905%5E7583,00.html
 

·
Blue Blood
Joined
·
1,375 Posts
2 out of 3 drivers will have to be fined? Well someone will have to take up my slack - because I sure as hell won't get fined. Whats the speed limit? 50km/h? righto cruise control. 60km/h? cruise it is.

This is no where near as safe as me doing 55km/h by using the accelerator as the second I remove my foot off the pedal the car loses power and starts to slow and changes the weight transfer due to power. But it saves me from getting a bullshit fine and that is what is going to be all about. How much driving can you do on the road without a fine.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,544 Posts
Unfortunately the cruise control on BAs doesn't work under 60km/h. I don't think I will going to Victoria any time soon.
 

·
Editor on P Plates
Joined
·
2,482 Posts
How can any government say a quota system for police doesn't exist when they are actually BUDGETTING the revenue from NEXT YEARS fines!!!!!


About the only good thing is at least NSW has to signpost it's cameras, so we're not getting totally raped by our greedy government (mind you - how do you get partially raped?).

I actually got offered a great job in Victoria last year - had to turn it down because I just wasn't keen to risk my licence living in the hidden radar tax state.

Cheers
Jason
 

·
Pursuit Reincarnation Dog
Joined
·
7,777 Posts
No comment other than "pphhhttttttt!!!!!".

Oh, good on The Australian for taking a stand.
 

·
Team Galaxy Try Hard
Joined
·
550 Posts
Whats the leway for speeding in Vic?
Is it 3km's?

My Fiancee was at uni with an ex vic police officer, that said its 1km/hour over the limit? 3km is too unreasonable, 1km would be rediculious. Especially with indescrepencies with the accuracy of the speedo's.

Is she telling pokies? (the ex vic pol. officer, not my fiancee)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,079 Posts
The allowance is 3kph
However, anyone who has travelled within the Domain tunnel which 3 series of fixed speed cameras will know its a very steep downward grade, just perfect for revenue raising.
The cameras being installed on the Westgate Bridge will probably be on the downward side.
The Western Ring Rd cameras are all pretty close to the variable speed signs.
All 3 of these places have variable speed limits.

Yep, Victoria is now a joke. We budget for speed camera revenue as an essential part of our budget, and for it to increase for the next 5 years.
I hate this government
 

·
CEO - The BSR Group
Joined
·
4,400 Posts
So what exactly are you Mexicans gonna do about this? When will somebody finally actually step up to the plate? Seems to be an aweful lot of talk about the appaling conditions you guys have to put up with, but nobody actually wants to challenge the state government...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,079 Posts
Good point.
The biggest problem is the massive majority the Bracksward governement has. They dont give a damn about any opinion, be it from the motoring bodies, academics, lobby groups, the opposition or the media.
I think nothing short of a change of government will see anything done about these lunatics.
 

·
A shit load of Dim Sims
Joined
·
181 Posts
But there is an unpleasant ambiguity in the Government's plan. Police Minister Andre Haermeyer has previously stated he welcomes lower revenues from speed cameras if it means lives were being saved because motorists, fearing fines, had slowed down. Figures released just days before the budget show that the minister's hope is coming true, with 70,000 fines generated by speed cameras in March – down from 86,000 in November last year. For a Government committed to cutting the road toll, the river of revenue Treasury eagerly anticipates can be nothing more than a lucky by-product of its core commitment to making the roads safer and one which will rapidly evaporate as better driving reduces the cash flow.
Victorians, bend over this won't take a minute.....:hl:

If the revenue is decreasing because people are slowing down, what can Bracksey do next? introduce a zero tolerance on speeding fines? he has a 3km/h tolerance now which contradicts the National law (ADR) which states a 10% tolerance on speedos.

In WA a speeding fine up to 10km/h over the limit is $50 and no points, in Victoria a speeding fine 3km/h over the limit is $123 and one point:wtf: how can there be such a big difference in speeding fines across the country? are you more of a risk if you speed in Victoria than WA?

The big problem now is, the Victorian Government has budgeted for this money, if it was to half or disappear, they would have to get it from somewhere else. It would've been easier if it didn't get this bad in the first place.

Victorians, expect the unexpected.
 

·
Team Galaxy Try Hard
Joined
·
550 Posts
I know the 3km business is rediculious, but, it is a known fact. The best way is for everybody to do the speed limit. If no body's getting caught by these things, there's no incentive for them to whack them up on every busy highway.

Everybody needs to get together.
 

·
D_XR6 in a previous life
Joined
·
95 Posts
Appart from being totally raped, we are now in the worse position possible.

OK so we try and send a message to the government and make sure that no one speeds for a period of time (1 week) so they get no money, but the problem is that because they have budgeted for it they will have to squeeze the money from us in some other form. The govt will just create a new tax somewhere else!

We are totally :eek:wned: now and it appears that there is not much that we can do about it
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,083 Posts
This wouldn't of happened if the labour party could actually do book work!

Well.....it probably would of anyway.

I doubt Stevey boy is going to win the next election, he totally stuffed up all his eastern suburb voters. Bring back Jeff I reckon, he could run this place.
 

·
Pursuit Reincarnation Dog
Joined
·
7,777 Posts
skip said:
Victorians, bend over this won't take a minute.....:hl:

In WA a speeding fine up to 10km/h over the limit is $50 and no points, in Victoria a speeding fine 3km/h over the limit is $123 and one point:wtf: how can there be such a big difference in speeding fines across the country? are you more of a risk if you speed in Victoria than WA?
No, wrong!

In Victoria it's 2 points and $125 normally. 4 points and $125 on double demerit periods (stay tuned for double demerits full time):eyebrow:
 

·
Mostly a lurker
Joined
·
9 Posts
Nevermind said:
I know the 3km business is rediculious, but, it is a known fact. The best way is for everybody to do the speed limit. If no body's getting caught by these things, there's no incentive for them to whack them up on every busy highway.

Everybody needs to get together.

I don't know about you Nevermind but I find it impossible not to occasionally drift 3km/h above the speed limit. Cruise control doesn't help either, especially going down hill. I would seriously expect in Vic that everyone in their lifetime would have to be booked at least once with such a ridiculous leeway for error. The only way to really meet their expectation is to spend 90% on the time looking at your speedo and 10% at the road, hoping that you don't accidentally creep over during that 10%!!!
 

·
Mostly a lurker
Joined
·
9 Posts
psycho chicken said:
This wouldn't of happened if the labour party could actually do book work!

Well.....it probably would of anyway.

I doubt Stevey boy is going to win the next election, he totally stuffed up all his eastern suburb voters. Bring back Jeff I reckon, he could run this place.

I couldn't agree more. Labor constantly amazes me by their inability to balance any kind of budget. Despite things going financially well on a federal level (despite droughts and wars etc.) State Labor govs still seem to manage to screw things up and we all end up paying. Accounting 101 obviously isn't a prerequisite for Labor preselection.
 

·
Still Here! Barely...
Joined
·
652 Posts
Agreed FreddyFordFan!

when that person just pulls out in front of you, you wont notice cause you were looking at your speedo, then boom... crash.. :( But hey, its cool cause you dont get a fine, and "speeding" is reduced. This steve guy is an prick and needs to be wacked in the head.. i wonder if he has ever had a speeding fine! or imagine if he got one now.. lol that would be ironic.
 

·
Ford Tickford Experience
Joined
·
432 Posts
Hahaha, how many of you people actually live in Victoria?

If you got your heads out of your arses and stopped thinking about your cars for a second, you'll realise that if anything is worth arguing about, it's your Liberal Party dictator John Howard and his goal of introducing an American style Health system where only the rich can afford to get sick. But then I guess, you have enough money to drive $70K dollar cars so that doesn't bother you does it? I can too but at least I have a conscience, but then you conservatives are happy as long as your government spends hundreds of millions (diverted from funding for the disabled) fighting wars to get you cheap petrol yet you don't blink an eye about the suffering here.
 

·
Mostly a lurker
Joined
·
9 Posts
fte22 said:
Hahaha, how many of you people actually live in Victoria?

If you got your heads out of your arses and stopped thinking about your cars for a second, you'll realise that if anything is worth arguing about, it's your Liberal Party dictator John Howard and his goal of introducing an American style Health system where only the rich can afford to get sick. But then I guess, you have enough money to drive $70K dollar cars so that doesn't bother you does it? I can too but at least I have a conscience, but then you conservatives are happy as long as your government spends hundreds of millions (diverted from funding for the disabled) fighting wars to get you cheap petrol yet you don't blink an eye about the suffering here.

FYI I can't afford to drive a $70k car, (EFII F'mont here). If fact $70k is not much less than I paid for my home 5 years ago that I could afford to take out a mortgage on thanks to the Liberal Gov 1st home buyers grant.

Your reference to an American style health system I assume relates to the new Medicare changes proposed. While it may not be perfect, the changes actually are designed to encourage GPs to bulk bill concessional card holders by giving Drs an extra $1 for each service (in city areas) and up to an extra $6.30 in rural/remote areas.

If you're concerned about all the people suffering here, why don't you lobby Bracks to donate all the $1ms he's getting from ripping off ALL Victorians for creeping more than 3km/h over the speed limit to these people instead making up for his financial mismanagement?
 
1 - 20 of 31 Posts
About this Discussion
30 Replies
20 Participants
skip
Ford Forums
Ford Forum is a community to discuss all things Ford. Check out our discussions on the Ford Escape, Mustang, Edge, F-150, Raptor, Explorer, Focus, Fusion, Fiesta and more!
Full Forum Listing
Top