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Can you over-restore a car?

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There's been some good discussions here lately so I thought I'd throw this question out there.

Can you restore a car to better than it left the factory & still have a "restored" car? or once you go past the factory build quality do you have a "modified" car?

I'm thinking about cars like the GTs that are so perfect they get trailered to shows rather than driven, but really the question can apply to any car.

There's no right or wrong answers, I'm just curious to find out what people think.
 

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i believe restore it to how you want it. i don't care how good your car is, it should be pulling the trailer, not sitting on it. i guess if you want to look at it, get a photo cause cars, no matter what they are, were built for driving.
 

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Car shows are the most BORING part of being in a car club. I can't see the point of building a "show car" that doesn't get driven. Maybe to promote your business or something. I still go to be part of the club display. But by about 9 am its just plain BOREDOM. And then there's PINKY. Most guys are itching to leave for about the last 3 or four hours of the day. I suppose it would be more interesting if you were actually winning trohpies! :)
 

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Yellow Fire said:
There's been some good discussions here lately so I thought I'd throw this question out there.

Can you restore a car to better than it left the factory & still have a "restored" car? or once you go past the factory build quality do you have a "modified" car?

I'm thinking about cars like the GTs that are so perfect they get trailered to shows rather than driven, but really the question can apply to any car.

There's no right or wrong answers, I'm just curious to find out what people think.
Persoanally i hate the "toffee apple" look that some restored GT's get, Full Gloss black everywhere and perfect panel gaps and no peel in the paint, just makes the car look artificial.
Matt black and a slight peel in the paint and a bit of overspray under the car, and slightly flattened paint under the bonnet and in the boot gives it a more authentic and genuine look in my opinion!
Cars entered in the concourse section of the Nats shuold be measured against how the car looked from new, not how perfect it is now!
 

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Old cars are a hobby; do what you want and enjoy the journey.
Bugger the standover knowall wannabeneverhad a propper one ######
 

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Cars, in the end, are a means of a-b transport.

We're all here because we like individual signitures on our transport(s) but, in the end, they've got to be usable products, just as they were intended from their maker.

Personally, I can't stand trailer-transported show cars. JMHO of course :)

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There is a guy in Sydney who DRIVES his Phase IV to All Ford Day. Or at least he did a few years back as we have a pic of it leaving, turning onto the Hume Highway.
 

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There is a guy in Sydney who DRIVES his Phase IV to All Ford Day. Or at least he did a few years back as we have a pic of it leaving, turning onto the Hume Highway.
The Calypso green Phase 4? or the red XAGT phase 4 prototype?
 

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This is a good question, 4VMan, I have often wondered what others think.

It leads me to ask about some suspension and steering upgrades I have read about, which look pretty good.

The website for the actual products I am talking about is here: RRS Revolution Racing Supplies

Besides the performance gains in handling that are obvious, what I like about it is that you dont need to modify anything to use them (except on some models, which require a few drill holes).

They offer a shocktower mod plate for more room in the engine bay, but there's no way I would do that. I am, however, thinking about the suspension and steering gear, with the proviso that I can keep the original bits for refitting.

If you came across obvious quality upgrade components like this, who would consider it? And if no, what would prevent you from considering them?

Dan
 

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This is a good question, 4VMan, I have often wondered what others think.

It leads me to ask about some suspension and steering upgrades I have read about, which look pretty good.

The website for the actual products I am talking about is here: RRS Revolution Racing Supplies

Besides the performance gains in handling that are obvious, what I like about it is that you dont need to modify anything to use them (except on some models, which require a few drill holes).

They offer a shocktower mod plate for more room in the engine bay, but there's no way I would do that. I am, however, thinking about the suspension and steering gear, with the proviso that I can keep the original bits for refitting.

If you came across obvious quality upgrade components like this, who would consider it? And if no, what would prevent you from considering them?

Dan
I personally wouldn't change anything other than internal engine stuff on my classics, part of the enjoyment of owning a classic musclecar is wrestling the heavy steering and the wallowy suspension or crap brakes! its all part of the classic experience!
ive got a modern BAXR8 that has all the good stuff on it!!!
 

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I am in the process of restoring an xrfairmont and am about to purchase the rrs steering rack.Rather than spend the money on reconditioning the original setup I chose to go with the better option. Most of us have at least driven a late model car and can attest to how much sharper rack and pinions can be in comparison to older steering technology.Why not make your classic ride and steer better.The technology is out there.Use it.
 

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4Vman said:
I personally wouldn't change anything other than internal engine stuff on my classics, part of the enjoyment of owning a classic musclecar is wrestling the heavy steering and the wallowy suspension or crap brakes! its all part of the classic experience!
ive got a modern BAXR8 that has all the good stuff on it!!!
Exactly...!!!
 

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I think the ultimate aim of any restoration or even car enthusiasts is fun. Once your hobby or passion starts to become a bore then it no longer is worth doing.

For me I don’t see the point behind spending thousands and thousands on a car that you cant even enjoy on the open road. Especially a coupe. It just doesn’t seem right to keep it locked up in a garage. Just seems like you are caging a wild animal that must be set free.

Its place is on the highway purring along the Australian landscape...
 

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I don't think there is anything wrong with restoring the cars better than factory. My car isn't going to be totally original anyway (orig motor on blocks to save it, and has manual now, was factory auto and ditched those shitty power windows too).
I am not scared to do the car my way, but I am keeping as close to the original theme as possible, as a compromise.
I am not that anally retentative that I must have factory orange peel and overspray, this is way over the top for my liking. I do like doors that fit correctly and panel gaps that are right, my blackouts will be satin and I have scratched all the black crap out of the floorpan and boot to redo the yellow.

Theres nothing worse than looking down the side of a coupe and seeing the doors sticking out beyond the rear quarter.
 

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I got the "big" brake conversion and its not worth having. Its 3mm bigger, wow. Probably good on an Escort though, lol
 

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4Vman said:
I personally wouldn't change anything other than internal engine stuff on my classics, part of the enjoyment of owning a classic musclecar is wrestling the heavy steering and the wallowy suspension or crap brakes! its all part of the classic experience!
ive got a modern BAXR8 that has all the good stuff on it!!!

Agreed...it's the cars personality your talking about. That's what I like most about driving mine.
 

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Agreed...it's the cars personality your talking about. That's what I like most about driving mine.
Thats right, its all about the classic feel of an old musclecar thats part of the fun, if you want great handling, power, comfort and style buy a new car!!! :hy:
 

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4Vman said:
I personally wouldn't change anything other than internal engine stuff on my classics, QUOTE]


you've got to. that ol' clevo in standard form is pretty ordinary :zzz:
 
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