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Everything is very obvious about that page BUT the piece about the 68 maverick is VERY interesting and is the first I have ever heard of it. I do seem to recall that the first design of the XA falcon was done whilst the aussie designers were in the USA, but from memory that was around 1969(cant be sure). All car manufacturers have always ripped each other off, going with the trends, and very much with fords case, keeping it all in the family. And if this is real so much for the first "All Aussie" Falcon.
 

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It seems more research is called for! Its like finding out after 35 years that you are adopted!
 

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Both Ford and GM had world wide styling strategys. The XA Coupe was styled after the 69 Torino. The guy responsible was a Englishman, his surname was Ross. He also played a part in the Mk1 Capri. Just look at the XD Falcon, almost identical to the Mk2 Granada. GM were the same. The HQ looks like a mid 70's Vauxhall Viva on steroids.(Or the Viva is a shrunken HQ).

Fact is though, the XA is the best lookinking car ever :hy: :priest:

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i guess that one good thing about baseing our designs on the cars from overseas is that they get the raw prototypes and we got the better styled more refined version.
 

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i guess that one good thing about baseing our designs on the cars from overseas is that they get the raw prototypes and we got the better styled more refined version.
Hell yeah! Learn from other peoples mistakes and sell the product bigger and better as your own, thats my motto. At least thats what gets me through life.
 

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Everything is very obvious about that page BUT the piece about the 68 maverick is VERY interesting and is the first I have ever heard of it. I do seem to recall that the first design of the XA falcon was done whilst the aussie designers were in the USA, but from memory that was around 1969(cant be sure). All car manufacturers have always ripped each other off, going with the trends, and very much with fords case, keeping it all in the family. And if this is real so much for the first "All Aussie" Falcon.
Those were the clays made sometime around 1968 for the new Maverick that arrived in late 1969 as the 1970 Maverick. The Aussie engineers were in Detroit at that time working with Ford US on a replacement for the XY. Ford US offered up the 1970 Torino and it was the Aussies that rejected the car as too big. There are some other pics of these Mav clays but it was this set that looked the most like an XA. If any of you have seen a Mav, then you know it looks nothing like an XA so these clays were not chosen for the final design. That was common back then as Ford would have several teams working on different clays. What these pics don't say is who worked on the clays. The Aussies were engineers not designers BUT that doesn't mean they didn't work with a design team to finalize the XA design. For all we know, these may have been XA clays that were worked up by one of the spare Mav teams. I say spare because the 1970 Mav arrived in October of 1969 which means Job 1 would have started sometime in early 1969. If that is the case, the clays would have been approved much earlier than Nov 18, 1968--that is the date on the pics. So, I speculate these were XA clays worked up by a Mav team working with the Aussie engineers and their ideas to come up with a XY replacement. Do I have proof, heck no but it makes for a plausible explanation.
 

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xafalcongs, sounds like a possible explanation only thing is like you said they were engineers not designers. Would be good to somehow track down the actual people responsible for the XA.
 

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I just looked for it but couldn't find it. Some time ago I found a Comet and Maverick club website and it had pictures of the early 1970's prototype Maverick or Comet and it was a Maverick with an exact XB front end on it. I'll keep looking for it.
From the doors forward, the Mav coupe profile is very similar to the XB. The profile of the mav 4-door is almost identical to the XB sedan except that the Mav's arse doesn't slope down quite so much.

The 71-77 Comet used tailights that mimic the XA sedan tailights.
 

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Wow...that's worth looking into!! Did Ford Australia just cop out on a rejected US Ford Maverick design for the XA, or what's the story??
 

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Wow...that's worth looking into!! Did Ford Australia just cop out on a rejected US Ford Maverick design for the XA, or what's the story??
I doubt they used a rejected Mav design. It's more like they worked with one of the Mav design teams and the company photos got thrown into the same Mav files as all the other development photos. Again, I have no proof but it is a very believable theory.
 

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I doubt they used a rejected Mav design. It's more like they worked with one of the Mav design teams and the company photos got thrown into the same Mav files as all the other development photos. Again, I have no proof but it is a very believable theory.
I would like to think that Ford Australia came up with the XA design,but unless someone can can up with actual definate evidence to support a claim...I will stay open minded and look forward to more information on this subject...thanx,Lukeh!!
 

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The XA was designed by Australian's.. There are people within Ford who have verified this.
 

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The XA was designed by Australian's.. There are people within Ford who have verified this.

By Australians, but whilst in the state dosn't the story go. So there would have no doubt been other input, definately design Q's from all over the place.

From the Ford Australia web site:

"In 1971, with the launch of the XA, the Falcon became a uniquely Australian car. There was no longer a US equivalent, the car was designed specifically for the local market.

Three years earlier, local Ford designers traveled to the US and spent most of the summer of 1968 working on the Falcon clay model. The design impressed Detroit, which soon after gave the go-ahead for a design centre at Broadmeadows, Victoria
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So the clay model was done in the states. Maybe after being designed it was considered as an option for the US market - comet etc...
 

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Those were the clays made sometime around 1968 for the new Maverick that arrived in late 1969 as the 1970 Maverick. The Aussie engineers were in Detroit at that time working with Ford US on a replacement for the XY. Ford US offered up the 1970 Torino and it was the Aussies that rejected the car as too big. There are some other pics of these Mav clays but it was this set that looked the most like an XA. If any of you have seen a Mav, then you know it looks nothing like an XA so these clays were not chosen for the final design. That was common back then as Ford would have several teams working on different clays. What these pics don't say is who worked on the clays. The Aussies were engineers not designers BUT that doesn't mean they didn't work with a design team to finalize the XA design. For all we know, these may have been XA clays that were worked up by one of the spare Mav teams. I say spare because the 1970 Mav arrived in October of 1969 which means Job 1 would have started sometime in early 1969. If that is the case, the clays would have been approved much earlier than Nov 18, 1968--that is the date on the pics. So, I speculate these were XA clays worked up by a Mav team working with the Aussie engineers and their ideas to come up with a XY replacement. Do I have proof, heck no but it makes for a plausible explanation.
The Aussies who went over to the states included designers because there weren't the clay modelling facilities in Australia. I would have to look up my book (History of Ford in Australia by Geoff Easdown) to get the names of the guys who went though.

The biggest question I have is how do we know these are Maverick clay models apart from the website calling them that? They are clearly the XA Falcon and quite different from the Maverick, and I agree it was too close to the Maverick launch (under a year) for them to be still playing with different proposals.
 

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I dont know where the thread began, but the folks up on the Falcon GT club of Australia are also discussing this....

http://www.falcongtclub.org/ViewMessage.asp?MessageID=52840

You've ruffled some feathers on GT Forumn I reckon' Lukeh. It'd be like finding out years down the track that you were adopted to some of those guys (if the XA was to turn out to be a US Maverick reject). However, based on the limited info to date I reckon it was likely to be a specific XA design, with significant Australian input,and possibly touted as an option for a US model as has been suggested. Good work for keeping an open mind and getting an intersting thread/s going. There's more info required still on this one....

At the end of the day, even as an Australian design, it is full of styling influences as shown on Sandy's site.
 
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