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Ka? Crap
Laser? sorry the mazda looks heaps better
Mondaeo? Are you being sold here?
Falcons? They have there problems which we all know
Fairlane/LTD? Same
T series? not bad, not good value, not exciting enough
F trucks? Well we will have to see, so far reasonable.
Cougar/mustang? Eh could definately do more here

If ford really wants to start slapping Holden around its gunna have to get the whole line up to a reasonable state.

Ka - Drop it or put a 1.7 L engine into it. If your going to have a odd car, make it odd. With the 1.7 you could hype it as a Renualt 172 fighter.. Make it a tickfordish, I think in the UK you can get a leather interior as a option. 1.7L +leather+body kit half decent small car.

Laser - $28k for a Laser? At least holdens astra looks european. It needs something with a bit of sparkel.. Find a 2.0 Litre engine and install, or turbo it, or something.

Falcon - proberly the best part of the line up so far, but it still needs something, something that makes independant buys say "hey I want one of those" Holden has the looks to sell the car, ford needs something. AU III? Special editions that really work.. AV?

Fairlane/LTD - well, not a bad start, fairlane ghia isn't bad. The LTD defies logic, its priced at public servant price, with no added benifits.

T series - You can't get anymore power into these things quicker? The velvet glove look only works if you have mumbo to back it up, otherwise its a expensive standard car. Surely you can do something while waiting for the Stroker. Simply matching HSV's power won't solve all of the T's problems.. Solve alot but not all..

Cougar needs something for the money, why is it here? Ford Probe of 2001? lost in the lineup

The mustang has a crap interior, so when converted why wasn't a better interior specified? US fault or what?
 

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Proposed lineup..

Ka - Replace with Fiesta
Laser - Replace with Focus
Falcon/Fairmont - AV update due soon. Should sort out most faults of AU
Fairlane - As above
T-Series - Minimum of 260kw same spec as now.
Cougar - Drop it from FTE & put it in normal showrooms or just kill it cold
Mustang - Must be sold here. It's an icon car like the Monaro is to Holden.
Escape - Excellent car for it's class
Explorer - Update due soon. Should do ok with V8 option
F-Series - Purely aimed at commerial sector. Should sell reasonably well.

Mondeo is dead. Has been for months. Dealers are still clearing old stock. Good idea to kill it. AV Falcon should be like new Mondeo so good idea not to bring new one here.
The current lineup isn't all that bad really. Sure it has a few holes, but they should be filled with the updates due in the next 12 months. Time will tell if we're right or not..
 

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Heres some junk I was thinking about

Beat HSV to the punch with the Ford Ka.

Ford Ka
2.0 SR laser engine (some engine tuning) or the 1.7 puma
5 speed
15 or 16" boots
front/rear discs off the SR
leather interior from UK Ka
Shiftlight/tacho
Bodykit + fog lights

$30,000
Bundle it up and sell them to the Uk as well! Call it something sweet.

Turbo the laser SR20. It barely keeps up with a standard Corrolla as it is. Or put the V6 in from a mondeo.

While your at it turbo the Cougar as well.

Take the 6.8L out of the FTE mustang and put it into a LTD for laughs.. Or in a XR8.
 

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IPhido said:
Take the 6.8L out of the FTE mustang and put it into a LTD for laughs.. Or in a XR8.
WTF! :WH: FTE Mussie is 4.6L.. Where you getting 6.8L from??
 

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Does anyone else feel like ford doesn't have enough photos of cars on there site?

I agree the escape is pretty good, espically concidering holdens suck..

Laser replaced with Focus? Hmmm interesting.

I hate the Festivas, I honestly hate them. I hope the new ones are much better, and they drop the festiva name.. But I guess im not a festiva buyer...

Do you really think that 260kw is enough? Will that alone kill HSV? If all the Tickford cars have 260Kw will they continue the pricing wheres the diffrence between a TS and a TE?

I hope ford pulls there stuff together. However they certainly have a fight on there hands, I can see plenty of weaknesses.

I also hope that the F trucks fit the bill, fords commerial line up I don't think is that great. Holden Rodeos seem to be breading like flies, I don't even know if Ive seen a new courier. More ambo's seem to be vans these days, I remember when they were all f trucks..
 

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Yes the standard mustang is 4.6.. I mean the FTE burnout mustang that they put the v10 into... They were going to supercharge it or something..

Put it in a XR8 or a LTD or a T series, then take it down to eastern creek drags or something.. Don't tell anyone...
 

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IPhido said:


I hate the Festivas, I honestly hate them. I hope the new ones are much better, and they drop the festiva name.. But I guess im not a festiva buyer...

The Festiva is not being made anymore.. the new car that is in europe is called the Fiesta.. not Festiva
 

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Do you really think that 260kw is enough? Will that alone kill HSV? If all the Tickford cars have 260Kw will they continue the pricing wheres the diffrence between a TS and a TE?
Yep should be. No point taking the power war any higher than it needs to go. Why blow Holden away with 300kw in the base FTE if you don't need to. Leaves the up-spec models no-where to go..

IPhido said:
I mean the FTE burnout mustang that they put the v10 into... They were going to supercharge it or something..

Put it in a XR8 or a LTD or a T series, then take it down to eastern creek drags or something.. Don't tell anyone...
Why bother doing that if you're not going to tell anyone? I'd be screaming it from the bleachers if I was gunna do it.
 

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IPhido said:
Ka? Crap
Laser? sorry the mazda looks heaps better
Mondaeo? Are you being sold here?
Falcons? They have there problems which we all know
Fairlane/LTD? Same
T series? not bad, not good value, not exciting enough
F trucks? Well we will have to see, so far reasonable.
Cougar/mustang? Eh could definately do more here

Ka - Drop it or put a 1.7 L engine into it. If your going to have a odd car, make it odd. With the 1.7 you could hype it as a Renualt 172 fighter.. Make it a tickfordish, I think in the UK you can get a leather interior as a option. 1.7L +leather+body kit half decent small car.
Don't forget the name of the game for small cars is affordability, price and perceived value. How much would a Ka cost with the 1.7? $20k +? How many will be sold? These are the dilemas Ford Oz has. The South African built Fiesta will be a great addition. The Ka should still be around as a niche model.

The Laser? Well the word is that the Laser and Focus will share platforms for the next all-new models meaning that on the same platform you have the Laser, 323 and Focus. Now since the Laser/323 are built in Japan, the Focus will most likely be built there as well. Due to currency problems regarding the importing of European cars, a Japanese built Focus may just as well be imported into Australia in higher volumes to replace the Laser. Lets hope.

Same goes for Modeo. As long as the $A is around $US0.50 - 65c, it's not fesible for it to be sold here

With Falcon we're on the right track, the AV should be a great car that will create more enthusiasm.

All the low volume cars Ford Oz has now are also important, they are doing wonders for Fords image.

That's my opinion.

Dean
 

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Now since the Laser/323 are built in Japan, the Focus will most likely be built there as well. Due to currency problems regarding the importing of European cars, a Japanese built Focus may just as well be imported into Australia in higher volumes to replace the Laser. Lets hope.
That's the rumour doing the rounds now. If the focus is to be built in Asia then you'd think it'll be a short priced favourite to be on sale in Oz..
 

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Whatever happened to that sweet little V6 in the Mazda Astina? I'm sure it was only a 2.0 Litre, and I don't know how similar it was to the 2.5 V6 in the Telstar/626. But hey, the Astina was the same floorplan as the 323/Laser. So it should, in reality, still fit if it's still in production.

However, for a world maker, it just doesn't make sense to do all that engineering work on another platform when it's already been done to one already.

I just wish the Focus would come to Oz.


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I just wish the Focus would come to Oz.
You're not the only one Lukeyson. I'd love to have one in the shed for the missus to drive around in..
 

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That's the rumour doing the rounds now. If the focus is to be built in Asia then you'd think it'll be a short priced favourite to be on sale in Oz..
Here's to hoping!!!:rolleyes:
How good would that be. I'm with you FM, the Focus for the missus and the AV XR8 for me.:D
.....oooorrrrr if Ford do the right thing by us and bring in the stove hot RS versions with turbo's n 4WD, maybe I'd be the one driving the Focus!
Russell.
 

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So the final lineup looks like this?

Ford:
Fiesta
Focus
AV Falcon
AV Fairlane/LTD
Escape
Explorer
F-Series 250-350

FTe:
Hot Focus?
AV T-Series - 260+kw
Mustang convertable

And that looks like a lot better lineup. So lets hope the laser, ka and the cougar get the sleepy pills..

I just thought currently ford has a pretty crappy lineup, Ka, Laser, AU, couger, pretty uninteresting commerical lineup too.

That sounds much better however...
 

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What about the courier? now that there is a choice of the F-series and the ute.. should there be room for the courier?? i think it still should have a place b/c as much as people would want an F-series, cost is still a problem...:rolleyes:
 

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I think that with the AV a while away and VX2 nearly here {although it wont be much it will still be fresher} we are going to need a few limited edition Falcons over the next 12-14 months to get some sales. Ok there will be the usuall Saphire or Classic type deals etc but why not make a few exciting ones? XR8 Rebel is good. Hopfully reports of a limited Lowndes XR8 or XR8 sprint featuring the stroker or being stripped out are true and there will be a few of these around as they will be popular and capable. When the XR8 ute had 185kw the 200 pusuits were a huge success so now that they have 200kw do some pusuits with 220kw not yet but before AV and once the XR8 rush settles a bit due to the TE getting some of the attention. Statesman buyers are all so proud of their 225 V8s so how about a few Concordes with the 220 engine and 17 inch wheels etc on a couple of nice colours like the last model Fairlane did. The TL will have the stroker and be more performance orriantated suspension,brakes etc so there will be no clash there. The standard Fairlane is still using 175kw V8 and we wonder why Statesmans kicking butt. It would also hardly affect the LTD which is a minority market anyway with not too many private buyers. It certainly would'nt turn things around but it would stop some potential Ford buyers going to Statesman. How about a few limited 200kw Fairmont Ghia's that could'nt be difficult either? Limited editions usually sell well and i think these would be even better. We all know AV will be much better but what do you all think of these as stop gaps to keep sales going before hand from a buyers and Fords point of view? I think at the worst Ford might not make much extra $$ but they wont make any less and more exciting Fords will be on the road and in the papers.
 
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