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The last two lines are significant. I read sometime ago about Holdens own concern that they can't keep up demand for their cars, and that there was a lot of pressure on their manufacturing plants, hence faults were occuring.

But there are lots of other reasons why I wouldn't but a Holden, they might be able to fix up all the technical faults, but they can't fix the look of their cars!!!
 

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Gee, an engine cutting out unexpectedly.... nope, holden's right, thats not dangerous at all :(

Could someone remind me how holden got it reputation for safety when an AUII stops better, crashes better and Holden seems bent on shoddy fixes to real safety concerns
 

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Thats a handy option - can you specify what sort of crashes you would like?
Didnt you get that option with your bommadore? :p
 

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I believe it comes as standard on the Commodore range.

In relation to that article, I wonder what would happen if Holden do not have a case? I don't think there would be too much of a reprimand.
 

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I would rather Ford recalled my XR to check the steering then have it fail. (they did) Seems Holden don't have the same standards OR the media is making more of Holdens supposed faults then is fact.
 

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You have to factor a lot of media into most public debates these days.

Look at the bagging that Ansett get from the press - one aircraft unserviceable (not really a major defect, it just takes a few hours for a part to go from Sydney to Perth to fix it) and there are 43 cameras at Melbourne interviewing the 115 pax who escaped death by being delayed 4 weeks for their flight.

Qantas had 2 737's u/s and a few cancelled flights that same day - not a peep in the media.

The opposite was the case 18 months ago after the QF1 crew decided to get a headstart on the round of golf by parking their 747 on the 18th fairway in Bangkok. After that for 6 months every time a Qantas aircraft even thought about an unserviceability it was reported as another miraculous escape from death.

So drive.com may be reporting Holden fault but that doesn't mean that Ford is innocent, your turn will come, it just depends on the whims of the press.
 

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Brendan said:
Look at the bagging that Ansett get from the press - one aircraft unserviceable (not really a major defect, it just takes a few hours for a part to go from Sydney to Perth to fix it) and there are 43 cameras at Melbourne interviewing the 115 pax who escaped death by being delayed 4 weeks for their flight.
Gee, I agree with the press thing - they are very focussed at times. But do you know about the structural condition and criticality of the 762 struts that Ansett failed to inspect? That was scary even for me (and I'm in the industry - in fact I know 767 strut structure like the back of my hand!)

I think you fail to understand the issues behind the Ansett scenario. Having said that - I think they were dealt with harshly by CASA (as you say other airlines are also guilty of problems - possibly not so bad). Oh, don't forget Ansett are good at parking 747s where they shouldn't be too (like without putting landing gear down before they land......)
 
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Brendan said:


Look at the bagging that Ansett get from the press - one aircraft unserviceable (not really a major defect, it just takes a few hours for a part to go from Sydney to Perth to fix it) and there are 43 cameras at Melbourne interviewing the 115 pax who escaped death by being delayed 4 weeks for their flight.

Qantas had 2 737's u/s and a few cancelled flights that same day - not a peep in the media.
Ansett = Ford
Qantas = Holden

There's even a pattern in the airlines. Qantas has red in it's colour and Ansett has blue, just goe's to show, AVESCO now checking our aircraft.
 

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THE DOCTOR said:
Ansett = Ford
Qantas = Holden
That leaves me in a dilemma..... :( :(
 

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THE DOCTOR said:
but you get my drift.
You assume so much Mr DOC......
Hey - where are the photos of the Dominelli Ford thing?
 
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I was referring to Qantas being let off with minor infringements and Ansett getting roasted, bit like Ford and Holden, the fact they share the same colour was a coincidence.

I'm going out this arvo to take some photo's. been held up all week with contracts etc.
 

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The only reason Qantas got let off so lightly (talking about Bangkok) was the fact that fault lay with the pilots. Their union is very strong and so the blame was shifted to incidental factors (like landing procedures).

The pilot who ditched this plane is still flying ( :rolleyes: ). Blame free. Meantime everyone else is doing all the fixing (as per BASI report).
 

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THE DOCTOR said:


Ansett = Ford
Qantas = Holden

I was thinking more along the lines of:
Argentina (pumas) = Holden
All Blacks = Ford

Go the AB's Tonight!:nuts:
 

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Yep... A bloke named Murphy was his Co-pilot..
They couldn't hear who was piloting at the time because the First Officer's wife was screaming so loud (riding in the spare seat in the cockpit). See, women...... they get EVERYONE into trouble some time :rolleyes: :D :cool: :p
 

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Aussie Pete said:

They couldn't hear who was piloting at the time because the First Officer's wife was screaming so loud (riding in the spare seat in the cockpit). See, women...... they get EVERYONE into trouble some time :rolleyes: :D :cool: :p
I'll second that:rolleyes:
 
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