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Old Car:BA XR6 New: 97 EL
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I have driven a VT Crumbledoor today for the first time.

As a Die-Hard Ford Man, I hate to say it, but I was very impressed.

I found these Points:

* Commodore is Very Very Quiet (Apart from the engine) - AUII Is very noisy - road noise - suspension clunks from the back

* Commodore interior is not as bland as AUII - (IT ****s all over AU1 Interior)

*V6 is CRAP. Falcon Engine is MUCH BETTER, QUIETER, SMOOTHER and MORE RESPONSIVE.

*Commodores Brakes are ALOT better than Falcons

*Falcon's exterior styling is ALOT better than commodores (Unlike most people I love the AU Styling, VERY modern, commo looks old)

*Falcon Looks bigger (Much Bigger) INside, than commodore.

When I Drove the Commo the same route I usually go home, It was smooth sailing the whole way. Not a single squeak, rattle or thunk.

In My AUII I hear rear suspension clunks, rattles, and Road Noise.

(My AUII is 12 months old - 25,000 kms - VT was 18 months old - 45,000 kms)

Anyway, I will stick to my Falcons, I love them more. But sorry to say, I can see WHY the majority of the buying public is going for the commodore.

I know I am a ford fan, but I didn't want to lie and say the ford was better, I am just being Honest!
 

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Even though i'm a Ford fan i used to own a VT Series 1 V6 Interceptor.
I always had a problem with the diff which i changed once under warranty and it was still the same.When it changed gears it was rough as hell.
When i went over bumps the doors rattled which gave me the sh!ts.
If i'm driving for an hour or so i had to put my foot to the floor just to move the bloody thing and in the process drinking more fuel.
I loved the interior and the dash layout in the VT compared to the AU but other than that i prefer a Falcon than a Commodore....... of course. :wink2:
 

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I heard of lots of troubles with VT Series1....

Hey GMS00.. BTW...whats happening with your XR8?
 

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My sister has a VT commode and and after having a Magna that was very reliable I don't think she is overly happy with it. Since buying it about a year ago she has had a broken passenger door handle replaced and only this week the power steering box replaced and also it seems to eat through fanbelts.
I personally don't think these thing should happen on a 3 year old car.
 

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In the latest Wheels mag they compare $40k luxury cars and they mention that they are impressed with the brakes on Fairmont. To quote them "Fairmont's brakes are especially good; among the best here for pedal feel and hard stopping consistency" And their comment on the Berlina's brakes.. "Brakes, however, are only average; the pedal is spongy and effectiveness fades when the heat is on."

Maybe the VT you drove had different brake pads than standard?

Fairmont came 3rd btw, behind the Verada and Liberty....Berlina 5th

The Fairmont probably would have came 1st if not for the live axle and poor resale...
 

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Adam, Yes, as i mentioned, i have heard of lots of quality issues with the VT's. They are a mechanical nighmare.


Martin, I read that artcle. I agree the fairmont is better and should have came 1st!!!

Well maybe the brakes in my AUII are ****ed? The commodores brakes seem to bite quiet well, they stop quickly.

MY Falcon Takes a bit more room to stop, and doesnt stop quite as quick and hard. I get quite a bit of fade in my falcon under heavy corner braking.
 

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jaytyn said:
I heard of lots of troubles with VT Series1....

Hey GMS00.. BTW...whats happening with your XR8?
Someone took it to Ford Heaven and have'nt seen it since .
I got paid out a few months ago and i'm waiting for the stroker T-Series or the LE Lowndes XR8.
At the moment i'm driving around in my dads WH Statesman until next week which is when i get my EF Fairmont to thrash around.:nuts:
 

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gms00 said:

Someone took it to Ford Heaven and have'nt seen it since .
I got paid out a few months ago and i'm waiting for the stroker T-Series or the LE Lowndes XR8.
At the moment i'm driving around in my dads WH Statesman until next week which is when i get my EF Fairmont to thrash around.:nuts:
Does your old mans WH have a 6 or 10 cd stacker ?

If it has a 6 there is a free upgrade to a 10 stacker all you have to do is take it back to the dealer and say the cds are skipping :evil:
 

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Does your old mans WH have a 6 or 10 cd stacker ?

If it has a 6 there is a free upgrade to a 10 stacker all you have to do is take it back to the dealer and say the cds are skipping :evil:
It has a 10 stacker CD.
It's a 5.7 Litre aswell if you wanted to know.
It goes like a bullet but i suppose it does'nt go like your beast ;)
 

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is wh statesman the current model/shape?

What are your thoughts on it gms00?

How did you handle your insurance co? I hope they didnt stuff u around..
 

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jaytyn said:
is wh statesman the current model/shape?

What are your thoughts on it gms00?

How did you handle your insurance co? I hope they didnt stuff u around..
The WH is the current shape.
For a big car like the Stateman it goes really hard.
It has Leather interior which is nice and comfortable, the engine is nice and smooth and with no problems at all.
Overall i think that the Statesman is a fantastic car and is very enjoyable to drive.......for a Holden ;)
The insurance paid me within 3 weeks which was'nt that bad.
I'm 21 years old and i hope they will insure me when i get my Stroker because the XR8 was a pain in the ass. Fingers crossed
 

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sigh, an admission here... the wifes car is a VT series 1 exec .. 3yo and 76000ks... We have had it from new . It drives quite well and other than having the steering rack replaced under warranty we have had no problems at all ..well, ones that weren't caused by some clown driving into the side of it!!
I find they drive like the fords of old...big and understeering ..maybe thats why I feel so comfortable !! My olny experience in a AU I was unsatisfactory ... it ran out of brakes very very quickly and with what I was doing at the time that was not good.. it did handle better than the EL but the brakes were a huge worry !!


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I don't recall you mentioning that it was an auto but I'll go with the numbers & say that it was. How did you find the GM transmission versus the BW unit in the Ford? Its normally chalk & cheese and the older the cars the greater the difference.
 

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The numbers have it !! I gotta say the ford box was smoother but the T700 (?) is still plenty smooth .. but doesn't like to kick down .. maybe it's the way I drive :)
Whilst I would prefer a ford, I am quite happy with the commode.

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the commodore seems to have more urge to about 110km overe the falcon. I think this is due to the falcon throttle body opening later. Im guessing they do this for fuel economy but if anyone else got a clue then say so
 

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the commodore seems to have more urge to about 110km overe the falcon. I think this is due to the falcon throttle body opening later. Im guessing they do this for fuel economy but if anyone else got a clue then say so

Three words, First Gear Ratio :eek:
 

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Yeah i got the wheels article about the 37k - 44k MegaTest. Good to see the Falcon come third and clearly ahead of the Berlina. Basically what they commented about the falcon and commo reflects what i felt driving the AU and VT. However on teh highway hills pullin 110-130km/h it's all falcon territory and thats what counts for me.

Jaytyn,
About the brakes on your car, I reckon for your next pad's try a set of bendix pads, heaps better IMO than the Motor craft stuff.

I drive an AU2 Fairmont at work, (same as the fairmont tested in wheels) and it's done 10k, so far i haev not felt any cluncks or any noises that appear to be annoying or out of the norm from the suspension. Not sure if it's just cause i'm too used to good ol leaf springs in my wagon.

Interesting note though, when they done the sound test in Motor a while back of the AU Series 2, the car is definitly quiter than the VT2. The AU1's were abit coarser than VT's.
 
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