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From the letters section of the herald sun (10-8-2001):

Falcon is true-blueHANK Tarrant (Cars Guide, August 3) says Holden is the only true-blue company.

I would define an Australian car as one whose body shell, motor engine and parts are fully designed, tested, engineered and constructed within the Australian industry.

The only car in Australia that comes close to that criteria is the Ford Falcon, which has been designed, tested, and fully manufactured here.

Its 4.0-litre in-line overhead camshaft motor was developed in Geelong and renowned overseas companies such as Mercedes Benz and BMW have adopted the design.

In Australia, Holden makes the Commodore, Berlina, Calais and Statesman/ Caprice, which are all variants of one platform base, Opel Omega, derived in Germany.

The engines that drive these vehicles -- 3.8-litre V6 Ecotec Standard/ Supercharged and the 5.7-litre Gen III V8 -- engine management system and their clunky four-speed automatic transmission are designed, tested, and manufactured in the US. They are assembled in Fishermens Bend and attached to vehicles in Elizabeth, South Australia.

While it does export vehicles (about 30,000 a year), Holden also has one of the largest ranges of imported vehicles.

Holden is a fully owned subsidiary of General Motors Corporation (GMC) in Michigan, and has a German, Peter Hanenberger, as chairman and MD heading its Australian operations. Ford Australia is fully owned subsidiary of Ford Motor Company in Michigan and has an Australian managing director, Geoff Polites. Australian Jac Nasser, the former head of Ford Australia, is head of global operations.

It's sad that Ford Australia is heading down the same path as Holden, where it has begun to import favourites such as the Mustang.

Let's hope the home-grown Falcon remains truly Australian, and not a " rebadged" fake like the Commodore. And why not manufacture and build the Mustang locally? They would be a lot cheaper, and a winner on the Australian market.

James Andis

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Good article there Chris. Good to see people backing the local designs and the Falcon. All i hope is they see the light of not globalising models.
Thats why i put that Inline 6 poll/petition a while back on ford forums, clearly we don't need a V6 from else where.
Ford are you reading my signiture. :read: Don't get axe the 4.0 Inline 6. :cussing: :cussing: :cussing:
 

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I know why Holden proclaims they are the only all Australian car. Because Holden know that the other car companies are not going to waste time in an advertising war. So they say what ever they want and get away with it. The sad part is people actually fall for this crap.

I hope the NEW Falcon line up come in next year and blows Holden some where near siberia!
 

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Nothing like the truth is there.. Like you guys, I hope the Falcon stays as Australian as it is now.
Imagine rebadging a Taurus hybrid for local sales. I reckon you'd only have three players in the market instead of four. Ford could kiss Oz goodbye if they stopped production of the Falcon I reckon..
 

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It comes down to sales, if the Australian people aren't buying a certain car then in my opinion they can't whinge if the car is discontinued.
In the words of a pollie "So my fellow Australians get off your bums and go and buy a Falcon NOW!".
 
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I hope we have an Aussie built Falcon for a long time it will keep a lot of people employed and will probably be cheaper than having one imported since the Aussie dollar is weak.
Besides the yanks can't build a decent car. :D
 

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howcome your in Sydney and got the article Aussie Falcon? I ddint think that the Herald sun went to sydney becasue last time I was there they had a paper called the sun-herald.
 

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Sorry champ, but if my memory serves me correctly (although it often doesn't :D ) the only part that the Commodore has in common with the Opel is the door handles. To call the car a "fake" is unjust. The car is far from being a "rebadged" Opel as you suggest. Holden (although a GM owned company) was born in Australia and will always be Australian at heart, and are (as you aknowledge) exporting many thousands of Aussie built cars to the rest of the world. The Yanks nearly creamed themselves when they saw the Commodore, and there's petitions being started left right and centre to convince GM to import them rebadged as Chevs.
 

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The current commodore as well as previous models, all off them infact have a whole lot in common with the Opel Omegas of the same model!!

I was in europe on holiday for 5 weeks last month and i saw the last model omega, one of my uncles has a 2000 model. All the doors and glass are identical to vt/vx appart from rear window, door shape is identical. Only thing that sets them appart are the different 1/4 panels front and back, together with the different lights and bumpers! Inside there are a lot of bits that are the same. Also to mention the Omega has the same saggy ass IRS as commodore!

IMO the commodore looks better then current omega, from the outside but i think both have s*** interiors!
 

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You're right XTRMN8, except that the Omega (and so too the same car in the US, the Cadillac Catera) are a fair whack smaller than a Commodore.

The whole car from the outside looks dimensionally identical to the Commdore. However, put the two side by side and you'll notice the main difference - the size. In particular, that panel up above the rear wheel on the Commodore looks particularly 'slab sided', and the wheelbase makes the commodore look like a cat ready to pounce.

Both the Omega and the Catera don't have that wide-footed stance. So it's more than a cut-and-shut job. The doors, for instance, on the Omega/Catera don't sag and bounce around like the Commodore, a result of the resizing. And there's no way you'd fit the 3.8 in there, let alone an LS1. The biggest engine in the Omeag/Catera is a 3.0L V6.

Having said all that, on that recent test-drive that Skaife did with an HSV, a BMW and a Merc at Nurburgring, all the Germans thought they were dealing with a protoype Omega for the DTM.

The design of the car has been copied, the design of the suspension has been copied. All the engines are imported.

But from that point on, much of the rest of the car is Australian Made. And even as a Ford fan, when you go overseas as an Aussie, suddenly you become proud of the Commodore too.


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wait a minute, if the opel omega has a v6 then does that mean its a FWD!?
 

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Luke Plaizier said:
And even as a Ford fan, when you go overseas as an Aussie, suddenly you become proud of the Commodore too.
Sorry Lukeyson.. Am about to go O/S and ain't no way I'm proud of the Commode. It looks like euro GM stock.. the Falcon IS Oz Ford stock. I'll be a proud Ford Oz man where ever I travel.. :D
 

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No, it's definately RWD. here is the snip from the Cadillac web site.

PERFORMANCE
DOHC V6 Engine

Step on the accelerator and feel the European influence.The 2001 Catera is powered by a high-output 3.0 liter, 24-valve DOHC V6 engine, delivering 200-horsepower at 6000 rpm and 192 ft-lbs of torque at 3600 rpm to the rear-wheel-propelled drivetrain. Meaning: It’s responsive and quick to accelerate, and performs like a world-class sport sedan. Catera meets the U.S. government’s stringent low-emission vehicle standards and gets impressive fuel economy (18 mpg city/25 mpg highway). And Catera can go up to 100,000 miles before its first scheduled tune-up.*

After all, Catera engineers are keenly aware that performance is not a luxury, it's a necessity.

*Maintenance needs vary with different uses and driving conditions. See the Owner's Manual for details.

Multi-Ram Induction

If you're wondering why Catera's engine can deliver so much power, it's due to its special "multi-ram" induction system that works like the valves on a trumpet. By opening and closing a trio of valves in various combinations, the oncoming rush of air takes a shorter, or longer, path through the intake tubing, creating shorter or longer pulses of air. This also synchronizes the air's arrival to the opening of the intake valves. The flow of air is smoothed out, and more air is packed into each ignition cycle. More air means more power. Deeper within Catera are sodium powder-filled exhaust valves borrowed from the racing world. These help dissipate heat from the combustion chamber. This creates denser air/fuel mixtures, and these charges boost power on demand across the rpm band. Power that Catera can handle with ease.

Adaptive Electronic Transmission

Everybody wants to drive a car that performs with intelligent authority. Case in point: Catera’s electronically controlled, 4-speed adaptive transmission with overdrive, which is designed to deliver smooth off-the-line acceleration, quiet cruising, and on-demand passing power. With the adaptive electronic transmission, you get seamless shifts and outstanding performance. Any time, any place. Its three modes of operation -- which the driver selects by pushing a button -- include Normal mode for everyday driving, Sport mode for more responsive shifting and additional engine braking, and Winter mode for third-gear starts and slippery conditions.

If that weren’t enough, all 2001 Cateras are equipped with a stand-alone oil-to-air transmission oil cooler for excellent engine cooling and air conditioning efficiency. Catera’s transmission can go up to 100,000 miles* before its first scheduled maintenance under normal driving conditions, with Dexron III “fill for life” transmission fluid. **

*Maintenance needs vary with different uses and driving conditions. See the Owner‘s Manual for details.
**Vehicles with Dexron III transmission fluid must be refilled only with Dexron III.

Front-Engine Rear Drive

Catera sports a front-engine rear-drive layout with four-wheel independent suspension -- the classic drivetrain and chassis arrangement for a performance-oriented machine.

Dual Exhaust

Catera is a seriously engineered, sporty sedan. So naturally, its durable stainless steel dual exhaust system is part of the package
 

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Hey Ford Man, if you're going to europe, then take a good look at the older Opel Rekord and newer Omega's. When you see them plodding around with nothing bigger than a 3.0 litre V6, and every other engine option smaller than that, you begin to be thankful that the SMALLEST engine available in Australia is the 3.8.

Speak to the owner of an Opel Rekord E if you can. Tell them that your mates back home have the same car with a 5.0 Litre V8 in it and they'll cream their pants. Just don't let them know about the 1.9L Starfire. Check this out - A 1985 Opel Rekord for sale. The nose is a bit different.

Do the same thing with the owner of a MkII Ford Granada and and you'll get the same result.


Lukeyson
 

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Holy shyte Batman!!.. That's a VH wagon all over.. :eek:

I just can't wait to get over the other side of the world to see Oz for what it is.. Gods Country.. :D oh and to drive a Focus and the new Mondeo.. ;)
 

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LOL, what a piece of sh!t Luke.
 

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You want to hear something funny? Read the English text at the bottom of the 2nd link.

"According to a lot of police officers the [Opel Rekord] 2.0S has been the best ordinary patrol car ever."

Lukeyson
 
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