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Our family bought a late 1998 Honda Accord with full leather interior and all for my father, as he spends an hour each way driving to and from work every day (Wollongong to Sydney). The VTEC engines were highly rated by everyone and the car was comfortable - all was good.

However, the car has now started going thru crazy amounts of oil, which prompted us to take the car to Honda, to be told the engine is basically shagged and needs 4 grand worth of work. The car has never lived a hard life, I'd say about 70% of its kms were clocked on the highway. The body is fine, the interior is fine, everything but the engine. My impression was that the engines were the swansong of Honda's range - but if owners of 5 year old cars will be required to spend such money on them, I'd be looking elsewhere. Of course, this could be a one off (although another Honda owner is currently having similar problems with her car), but its disappointing to spend so much money on a car to have it die with an easy life.

The possible replacements were Honda Accord Euro (with the veiw of getting rid of it at 5 years again when it dies), Mazda 3 or 6, Toyota Camry, Holden Commodore, Mitsubishi Magna, and Falcon XR6, all in manual.

The Mazda's were eliminated after styling/size issues and performance on the highway - though nothing wrong with the car for a different application.

The Toyota was dropped for small things such as handbrake on the left hand side of the centre console (felt like you are reaching into the passengers lap to use it) and excessive distance between brake and accelerator pedal (just does not feel natural) although the car was quiet and had better gearbox feel than the Falcon.

The Honda Accord Euro was a possibility but the seats were too firm and unsupportive, and once bitten twice shy. Also they offered us nothing for our trade in.

I didn't even need to say anything to eliminate the Holden, my father sat in the drivers seat, and hopped back out, said he would never buy the car as the interior felt cheap and tacky, especially the painted centre console. The paint on the demonstrator was also of terrible quality, so the car never even got started. Also, a friend bought a VY wagon and the drivers door refuses to close and Holden said they aren't sure why and are waiting to see what their head office will let them do (no kidding). So no need for me to say anything there to stop the General entering my world.

The Magna never really got a look in for the same reason as the Holden, the styling was a turn off, the car had a very cheap plastic feel, didn't get started or driven either. Didn't want a car that felt like it did, no matter how well it drove.

So the Falcon XR6 won the competition for comfort, ergonomics (easy to use cruise controls and easy to use dash), torque, and the trade in. It let itself down with the manual gearbox (but neither my father nor myself liked the auto either, even in semi auto mode) a little, just a bit clunkier than the Toyota or Honda gearbox, and in road noise, but only slightly, and most likely due to its wider rubber.

So for the first time all four cars in the driveway are Fords. Our only hope is that the car runs reliably for the 5 years we plan to keep it. All our four cylinder Fords have never let us down, so hopefully this one will be the same. Or else! :beatup:

So, I am not sure if this is just a couple of VTEC owners with bad luck, or if it is common place, but Honda has lost our support. I hope Ford take up the gauntlet rather than passing it on to someone else...

Cheers... Tim
 

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I don't think your the only one. I've noticed a reasonable number of vtec equipped honda's blowing quantities of blue smoke (burning oil).

Hopefully honda have sorted this out since then though . . .
 

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Tim, how many K's were on the honda after 5 years?
 

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EBXR: Close to 150,000... which left it just above the usual 20-25 thousand a year you expect on most cars.

Cheers... Tim
 

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I'm suprised - I thought Honda generally has a great reputation. I wonder if it is due to honda rushing in new technology in the market place, but not proper testing in Australian conditions.
 

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I know a few people who have had oil related problems with Hondas. Some of them have found tho if you change the oil every 5000kms with synthetic they do alot better. Ford's generally speaking may have more little problems like bits of trim falling off kind of stuff but are more robust & don't require as strict maintenance to keep them going.
 

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My friend's Dad got a new Camry - the way the dash slopes from the windscreen, it looks like it was borrowed straight from a truck or minibus.
 

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yeah how often was the honda serviced and what oil?
I know the vtecs do need quality oil and lots of changes but still I'd be pretty annoyed at those sort of problems at 150,000.
 

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The car was serviced religiously at a Honda dealership, using their recommended products. And for the price you pay for that, we expected some sort of quality / long term reliability for paying prices that make grown men cry. Last service was 800 dollars (included timing belt, I think... long list of stuff).

Here's hoping it's replacement is still alive after 5 years!

Cheers... Tim
 

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w0lf said:
i got a 95 Accord 2.2L VTEC with 180,000km on it and never had any probs whatsoever with the car so far
This is what we expected also.... glad to hear yours is a good one!

Cheers... Tim
 

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My wife has 1994 non VTEC Civic auto with 130,000 km which was purchased with 29K on the clock. Oil is usually changed every 5,000 KM and there is oil consumption issues. The Civic is a fantastic car and very reliable. The build quality is excellent and the car feels as good now as the day we purchased it. A Honda would be first on my list of cars to replacr the Wife's Civic. It was our main car for 5 years before purchasing my VY Wagon V6. My VY has now done 32K and the only problem so far is a faulty CD stacker which was replaced by the dealer. I’m very happy with the VY and it's fantastic on the highway returning very good fuel economy and the seating position is very comfortable. I had a person sit in my car who purchased a BA Fairmont and he thought my interior was better. It's all a personal judgement.
 

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Or your mate is on some hard core drugs taken by injecting behind his eye.

Sorry the Vy interior hurts my eyes.

That really sucks Zantetsuken if you've spent the $$ on servicing you'd want reliablilty.

I used to think Honda's were excellent cars but I've seen to many of them with problems now so I've changed my opinion to over valued smooth but unreliable cars.
 
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