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The 1st thing i have to say is the obvious... a huge congrats to Ford, SBR and Ambrose for an outstanding year and an awesome return to form for the last round. excellent...

2nd... I think i'm the only Ford supporter here that is of the opinion that Ingall's antics was totally PURPOSEFULL... why??

It was clear that on exit of the corner they were rubbing doors and exchanging blows, Ingall didn't have much room and yes, his left rear dropped off the track, when he got back on they were still side by side again rubbing eachother up, then cars were in a straight line and at this point Rusty had plenty of room. On close examination, focusing on Ingall's fronts, you see he turn hard right into Skaife resulting in the crash.

We can say all we like that Skaife didn't leave enough room etc, but the fact is, he did as Ingall had a straight car and line, there was no reason to attack the way he did. Many times before, cars have gone waaay further off the track and rejoining no problem...

The incident after that with both drivers taunting one another was as everybody else has expressed, both at fault.

The incident with Skaife in the SBR pit, totally wrong and uncalled for.

The interview that Skaife gave after that was much better, he had calmed down and gave an accurate account as to what had happened. It was also great to hear his positive comments about SBR, Ford, and AMBROSE....

In recent years, i find it difficult to remember Skaife ever being unsportsman like on the track, he is a fair and tough racer... This is all very hard to say as i am a true Ford fan and many here know that, i've been on these forums as long as anybody (pretty much)... I am NOT a Skaife fan, but i do have respect for him.

I taped the racing and viewed the incident many times and to me it's quite clear that it definitely didn't have to end that way, Russell retaliated when he shouldn't have.

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Chris
 

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I beg to differ. Seem to remember a KA Laser one make series when the lad was just a whipper-snapper and a hell of a lot of other suspect manouvers in between. The boy thinks he has a god given right to push a pass. Wins some, loses some. Today he lost!
 

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what happened in the pits ? I read through the other thread and i think i saw something about skaife pushing some other guy ? Was it a full on shove or what ?
Unfortunately i missed the entitre race.
 

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Skaife made his way down to the SBR pit's, stormed through the door and up to Ross (?) Stone and had a go at him, all this after Ross had just told the channel 10 commentator previously he didn't get to see what happened.

In my opinion that's the worst thing that happened during the whole weekend, the crashes and tantrums before then fade into insignificance comapred to the contempt Beakerhead treated the SBR garage to.

If someone marched down to the HRT garage, barged their way through the door and had a go at Grech, they'd be all up in arms about it as well. It's a blatent lack of discipline and sportsmanship and simply not good enough IMO.
 

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stole this from ten-tenths.com.. posted by Andrew Quested
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The following was taken from an HRT press release that I just received by e-mail:

The subsequent Stewards' hearings lasted until almost 11.00pm, with the following penalties handed down:

Mark Skaife:

For his part in the initial contact, Skaife was penalised 30 Championship points. Skaife has indicated he will appeal this decision.

For remaining by his car and not retiring behind the concrete wall, for disobeying an official's directive (to move behind the wall) and conduct prejudicial to the sport, Skaife received a $10,000 fine and was penalised 75 Series points.

A 12 months suspended penalty of a 3-round suspension, to be of good behaviour

Russell Ingall:

For his part in the initial contact, Ingall was penalised 70 Championship points.

For conduct prejudicial to the sport (by swerving towards Skaife), Ingall received a $15,000 fine and was excluded from the meeting.

A 12 months suspended penalty of a 3-round suspension, to be of good behaviour.


Skaife's total loss of 105 points does not affect his 3rd place in the final Championship standings, however Ingall's total points penalty (70 for the first incident plus the loss of 150 points from his weekend haul) was 220
and drops him from 4th to 9th in the overall Championship (subject to official confirmation.)

Due to this incident, Ambrose and Ford's Series win will have to share the media spotlight for the moment which is unfortunate as Marcos fully deserved his title and was emphatic in winning both races of the final round at Eastern Creek - especially given the pressure he was under, after his recent ordinary form.
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interesting that ingall lost more points for the initial contact. I wonder if they believe he did swerve a bit and hit skaife like that on purpose
 

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stole this from ten-tenths.com.. posted by Andrew Quested
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The following was taken from an HRT press release that I just received by e-mail:

The subsequent Stewards' hearings lasted until almost 11.00pm, with the following penalties handed down:

Mark Skaife:

For his part in the initial contact, Skaife was penalised 30 Championship points. Skaife has indicated he will appeal this decision.

For remaining by his car and not retiring behind the concrete wall, for disobeying an official's directive (to move behind the wall) and conduct prejudicial to the sport, Skaife received a $10,000 fine and was penalised 75 Series points.

A 12 months suspended penalty of a 3-round suspension, to be of good behaviour

Russell Ingall:

For his part in the initial contact, Ingall was penalised 70 Championship points.

For conduct prejudicial to the sport (by swerving towards Skaife), Ingall received a $15,000 fine and was excluded from the meeting.

A 12 months suspended penalty of a 3-round suspension, to be of good behaviour.


Skaife's total loss of 105 points does not affect his 3rd place in the final Championship standings, however Ingall's total points penalty (70 for the first incident plus the loss of 150 points from his weekend haul) was 220
and drops him from 4th to 9th in the overall Championship (subject to official confirmation.)

Due to this incident, Ambrose and Ford's Series win will have to share the media spotlight for the moment which is unfortunate as Marcos fully deserved his title and was emphatic in winning both races of the final round at Eastern Creek - especially given the pressure he was under, after his recent ordinary form.
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What a whole ( i wont say what ingall lost more,?? because he got pushed out, ... YOU KNOW WHAT if we have drivers like Skumfe and Murphy WHO ARE BABIES AND ARE SOOKS, they might aswell ride their tricycles and pedal their sorry arses up s**T creek!
 

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interestingly The Age gives a different tally of the point penalties.

"Both drivers were given a three-race ban suspended for one year. Ingall also received a $15,000 fine and a total 220-point penalty, and Skaife was fined $10,000 and had 135 points subtracted. Ingall went from fourth to ninth in the series as a result, Skaife to sixth."

"Both drivers have appealed and will appear again before officials on Thursday."

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/11/30/1070127270190.html


This differs again from whats on the V8Supercars website which shows Skaife 3rd and Ingall 7th.

http://www.v8supercars.com.au/v8data/2003/dpprgmjreasy.asp?ssn=2003&ts=PS


so who really knows in the end.

I think we will have to wait a few days untill the appeals are dealt with.
 

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JEM said:
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It was clear that on exit of the corner they were rubbing doors and exchanging blows, Ingall didn't have much room and yes, his left rear dropped off the track, when he got back on they were still side by side again rubbing eachother up, then cars were in a straight line and at this point Rusty had plenty of room. On close examination, focusing on Ingall's fronts, you see he turn hard right into Skaife resulting in the crash.
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Cheers,
Chris
I agree 100%, that is exactly how I saw it as well. I have just captured it to my computer, and in slow motion replays from behind it is obvious if you look at the front left wheel that he turns towards Skaife. Not smart Ingall.
 

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I beg to differ. Seem to remember a KA Laser one make series when the lad was just a whipper-snapper and a hell of a lot of other suspect manouvers in between. The boy thinks he has a god given right to push a pass. Wins some, loses some. Today he lost!
Yes i agree 100pc.

Also if you watch the footage again. SCAIFE's Car draws first blood.

Smacking russells car. then if russell contined on that line he would have put both left hand wheels on the dirt.

And what gives scaife or anyone else the right too be a hot head. i would be pissed off also if i was Russell he is being played as the bad boy. when in fact Scaife started it. Irrispective of who drives for who.

SCAIFE IS NOT THE V8 GOD. Now this should bring him down too earth.

And running upto Mr Stone and abusing him for his (Scaife) own mistake. well who does he think he is ???
 

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-70 points thats bull. We need have a whip round and buy the stewards a decent monitor for their video.

Q: If snozz had have passed (he had the fresh tyres) without trying to push Russell of the circuit in the same move, would any of this have eventuated?

He'll claim he needed the whole track so if thats true that red car really is a POS.
 

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A: the Car is a POS and the driver thinks he is all that.

maybe he should drive something else like billy carts.

and them watch him have a tantrum when the other kids win.
 

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RED_EL_XR8 said:
-70 points thats bull. We need have a whip round and buy the stewards a decent monitor for their video.
Hehe I think Neil Crompton is already running the 'Get Bondy a Colour TV' fund after the Murphy incident at Winton...
 

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It would be interesting to look at both sbr and hrt data loggers as to see what steering input percentage/measurements were involved in the incident.
 

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RED_EL_XR8 said:
I beg to differ. Seem to remember a KA Laser one make series when the lad was just a whipper-snapper and a hell of a lot of other suspect manouvers in between. The boy thinks he has a god given right to push a pass. Wins some, loses some. Today he lost!

I also agree with this.

There is no love lost between these two drivers. And blame should be shared between them both.

All Skaife had to do was not try and hang Russell out on the dirt and he would have had position for the next corner.

And equally, Russell a little less 'rubbing'.
 

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It is pretty clear cut to me......
Skaife tried to bully Ingall just like he has done to others many times, (cause he just seems to think he is special). This time someone fought back (INGALL YOU LEGEND! :notwthy: ) and Skaife came off 2nd best and he sooked like a big baby.......
 

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There was fault on both drivers part in that Skaife tried to hang Ingall out to dry and Ingall retaliated by pushing back into Skaife a lot harder than necessary.

The punishment fits the crime, although Skaife needs his arse kicked for manhandling Ross Stone. Lets move on, we're #1..............
 
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