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Hi All,

Yeah was thinking about this for a few days, but i've decided to bite the bullet. Since a number of ford executives are reading this forum, i'd like to start a vote for the future of the IL6 to the ford forum members.
I am very concearned that ford will replace the IL6 with a V6. My reasons are as follows,

engine has loads of potential aka skyline
good torgue characteristics for the aussie environment 357Nm+
better top end power
smoother than a v6
all the best rear drive six's in the world are straight 6's.
v6 is primarily used for front wheel drive only for compactness.
proven reliability ask 9 outta 10 taxi's.

The main thing though is i reckon ford will be percieved as a market looser bowing out to a similar holden design of a V6 engine. The above statements are all in my opinion, therefore i'd like to know what others think, so here is the scenario.

1. Keep the current IL6 and develop it further.
2. Replace with a V6.

My vote: 1.

My saying for this scenario, "If it ain't broke don't fix it."
 

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I like the I6, I think it needs to be redeveloped. Its too old.

If we where to keep the I6, it needs to be redeveloped, as they did with the EA.

But, I welcome the V6, It seems to be a more modern approach. Inline 6 engines are an OLD design. As long as the V6 is as smoother than the I6 and has more power. and BETTER fuel consumption than than darned I6, then BRING IT ON BABY :)

The current I6 is a very coarse and rough sounding engine. The V6 would need to be smoother sounding.

ALSO, the I6 Idles rough.
 

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Ahh no, so theres no way that the decision can be reversed "sob, sob" :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

Ahh well keep this petition for good measure.
 

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I'd vote to keep ye olde faithful but I realise that this isn't going to happen.

As a side comment Does anyone know of any hot naturally aspirated Falcon sixes if so can they point me to articles about them DK's head is getting full of plans ;) (well i gotta do something to pass the time that would have otherwise been spent doing an exam but due to circumstances beyond my control I slept thru the aforementioned exam, D'OH!!!! :fmad::fmad::fmad: )
 

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I6 is inherently a better configuration than a V6. The two main versions of V6 have conflicting problems. V6 90deg has balance issues, V6 60deg has firing interval issues. I6 is best case for both scenarios and has high order harmonics (natural freq? gee it's been a few years).

Anyhow, I agree I6 is the go. But the problem is the current I6 does not have the ideal bore-stroke-rod-crank relationships. These are the reasons it is not at its best revving out.

EF Falcon Guy:
The cost of redesigning an engine to meet future emissions and fuel consumption levels may mean we are in reality shopping for an engine from the world Ford stable. That means V6s are the majority! In fact, are there I6s available other than from PAG cars?
 

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I hope that if/when the V6 arrives it is built in australia.

Come on ford, You cant close down the geelong plant!!!
 

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Gimme the inline 6.....that would be sweet as!
And all shouldn't be discarded only because of past decisions!
I still have faith that FoMoCo will evaluate some of their past decisions and act upon them if they see a business case worth pursuing.....hey, just look at the Focus. :D
 

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I am for the I6. I am looking forward to see how its development as a DOHC turns out.

BMW recently built a new plant I think to produce I6 motors, and their I6 motor in the BMW M3 is one that leaves any other six for dead I think.........

As for what FoMoCo does, that will all come down to cost. Last I heard the I6 was around 2k each, where to ship in the modular V6 from the states would cost an extra 1k. So in regards to $, the I6 is better.

Also alot of money has been spent in upgrades...........but all the contracts on the I6 are only current to 2006.........Alot of Ford's infrastructure is old, and needs upgrading and replacing to see another generation of motors from Geelong. As the cost factor will probaly be too high, I cannot see its future extending past 2006.

I am not too sure on which motor is better in regard to techical stuff. But unless one is pushed for room I cannot see any advantage of a V6........not as though we are trying to make a front wheel drive car.

Jas

oh, in case you missed one of my past wayward comments I vote for the Inline 6!
 

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I too love the I6 but because of the Global nature of Ford ,unless they find another application for the I6 globally then i think it is going to be more cost effective for them to produce a motor to cover more platforms. If there could be another use for our six globally then i think they could redevelop it.What the hell else can we plonk the beast into, there must be something.
 

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VilkasMaximus said:
Why not there trucks, the smaller ones anyhow..............

Jas
Sounds good.The engine would suit those vehicles well. I think the Americans would like an engine like this in the trucks.We just have to convince them of it's viability if it is viable.
 

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VilkasMaximus said:
BMW recently built a new plant I think to produce I6 motors, and their I6 motor in the BMW M3 is one that leaves any other six for dead I think.........
VilkasMaximus :

I agree with you !

BMW know what they're doing. so do the other ppl who use IL6.

Im down for an IL6. needs to be smaller capacity but. these days performance can be upped with better thought and technology rather than capacity.

if a vote DID count. vote 1 ! :) Go EF_Falcon_Guy !!
 

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Just to add weight to numbers, I'll vote No. 1 for the inline six.
Yeh, BMW's and Nissan's Skyline GTR use 'em and they're the most efficent and powerful 6's getting around.
And it would be a sin to close down Geelong just because Ford had to spend a bit of money to upgrade the facilities. If it closed, what then, all them jobs lost and we have to get some imported engine...great for the economy. I Holden can get concessions and help from the government to build an entire new engine factory for the V6's and Gen III, why couldn't Ford benifit from a similar deal. :rolleyes:
Russell.
 

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I love the IL6 in my '96 EL! In standard form its got plenty of grunt, its no V8 but I have beaten older V8's, ie 253's n 302's and carby 308's! :D

When you take it easy the fuel economy is excelent about 10L/100km, mixture of city and short open road trips. Its a stong engine that has good grunt. It's the sweetes between 3 and 4500 rpm but after that it dosent seem to sing as sweetly, but she still flys! Never had any trouble, I am 18 but im no lunatic and i dont drive like my nanna either! So it cops a floggin every noun and then! I'd like to take an AU for a good run to compare! Actually i wouldnt mind an AU Fairmont! :rolleyes:

Anyhow I recon its a good engine, it gets serviced on a regular basis and she dont miss spark! Although I do think that the engine is restricted due to the ratios!! Someone help me here!! This is how i see it, from experience!!

The V6's jump me off the line and get about half a car on me by about 40km/h but after that its all IL6 teritory. The other nite on the way back from indoor this bloke gave me a run in a VX S-pack and he had the jump like i said. But i nailed it and when i hit around 115 @ 5500rpm he was a couple of car lengths behind me, and he did not ease off coz when i hit the brakes he flew past me so he was nailin it too all along!

I dunno whats wrong with it but it dosent jump off the line as good! Must be something with the ratios!! Thats why must people who drive a Falcon and a Commodore think that the Commodore has heaps more power because it feels so jumpy of the line, ie the dense blonde chics that im trying to %$#^ and when they see my car they get on my back coz its not a Commodore!

:nuts: :nuts: :D
 

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Yeah good to see the support guys, i still think there might be a slim very slim chance for a reversal of the V6 plan. Thats why i decided to make this thread, as i know theres alot of people who will miss the InLine 6.

XtRmn8,

Yeah know exactly what you mean about beating 308's :D :D
About the lack of jump at the start it's not so apparent on my car as it's a manual. But i reckon with a DOHC head that would cure the initial pickup and not too mention the head kicking pickup up top. :D :D
yeah my latest holden kill was a black VX-S, doin 80-90 we were lineball then had a drag to 160kmph my lane was ending the Inline showed it's supremecy.
Hmmm blonde chicks aye, what is it with them and holdens, grrrrr if only they liked fords. :p :p
 

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XtRmn8 said:
I love the IL6 in my '96 EL! In standard form its got plenty of grunt, its no V8 but I have beaten older V8's, ie 253's n 302's and carby 308's! :D
I'll second that !!! I drive a EF Futura . mines noisier than ur's (just turn the radio up), but still is SO strong around mid section....

i luv the mountain of torque it has... u could haul n e thing.

Jeep have a 4ltr IL6 too. nowhere near as strong as the ford IL6...... proves it well....
 

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Haha i hear ya mate!!

Hmmm blonde chicks aye, what is it with them and holdens, grrrrr if only they liked fords.
I still get some of them!! The real dumb ones are the ones that only like the car you drive! I #$%^ the right off! Unless :D :D :D

WE HAVE IGNITION :cool:
 

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VilkasMaximus said:
BMW recently built a new plant I think to produce I6 motors, and their I6 motor in the BMW M3 is one that leaves any other six for dead I think.........
VilkasMaximus :

I agree with you !

BMW know what they're doing. so do the other ppl who use IL6.

Im down for an IL6. needs to be smaller capacity but. these days performance can be upped with better thought and technology rather than capacity.

if a vote DID count. vote 1 ! :) Go EF_Falcon_Guy !!
 
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