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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
....lust for the new Shelby GT 500, that is. Financially it's probably going
to be a stretch, but I figure in about a year from now I could swing it. I
already feel guilty about wanting to replace my black 93 GT though. I bought
it new (my 3rd black GT) and have put 182,000 enjoyable miles, but the new
Mustang has really got me excited.

Check this out....

http://www.fordvehicles.com/autoshow/?submitImg=vehicle30|001|1
 
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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
"Andy Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:mwQCf.36625$C%[email protected]
> ...lust for the new Shelby GT 500, that is. Financially it's probably
> going
> to be a stretch, but I figure in about a year from now I could swing it. I
> already feel guilty about wanting to replace my black 93 GT though. I
> bought
> it new (my 3rd black GT) and have put 182,000 enjoyable miles, but the new
> Mustang has really got me excited.
>
> Check this out....
>
> http://www.fordvehicles.com/autoshow/?submitImg=vehicle30|001|1


You and I are in the same position, but I don't want to replace my '93, just
"augment" it.

Google Images is great. Specifying "large full color JPG" uncovered this
treasure trove of high-res wallpapers, including several of the GT500 in
red:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...c=color&imgsz=xxlarge&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&sa=G

I had a Photoshopped montage on my screen, but decided to dump it. It was
torturing me. Not only is $75,000 (or whatever) a tough nut to crack, but
the dealer markup and/or bidding wars will be brutal.

I'll keep my sights on the more manageable...

dwight
 
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
dwight wrote:
> "Andy Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:mwQCf.36625$C%[email protected]
>> ...lust for the new Shelby GT 500, that is. Financially it's probably
>> going
>> to be a stretch, but I figure in about a year from now I could swing it. I
>> already feel guilty about wanting to replace my black 93 GT though. I
>> bought
>> it new (my 3rd black GT) and have put 182,000 enjoyable miles, but the new
>> Mustang has really got me excited.
>>
>> Check this out....
>>
>> http://www.fordvehicles.com/autoshow/?submitImg=vehicle30|001|1

>
> You and I are in the same position, but I don't want to replace my '93, just
> "augment" it.
>
> Google Images is great. Specifying "large full color JPG" uncovered this
> treasure trove of high-res wallpapers, including several of the GT500 in
> red:
>
> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...c=color&imgsz=xxlarge&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&sa=G
>
> I had a Photoshopped montage on my screen, but decided to dump it. It was
> torturing me. Not only is $75,000 (or whatever) a tough nut to crack, but
> the dealer markup and/or bidding wars will be brutal.
>
> I'll keep my sights on the more manageable...



Why not just get a '06 GT and buy the Shelby kit directly from Shelby?
You'll get all the looks and then you can decide if you want to spring
for the power and other performance upgrades down the line.

I was in a similar situation. I was planning to just pick up the
cleanest low-miles '93 I could get my hands on, throw in a blown 351,
Tremec, and other assorted go-fast/turn-fast/stop-fast goodies and call
it a day. But the new Mustang's styling convinced me that I really like
the return to the classic lines. Money isn't really an issue, but the
prospect of paying some parasite dealer a fat premium over MSRP because
of an artificial "short supply" just rubs me the wrong way. So I'll
probably go the "roll your own" route.

Cheers,
 
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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
"dwight" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> "Andy Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:mwQCf.36625$C%[email protected]
> > ...lust for the new Shelby GT 500, that is. Financially it's probably
> > going
> > to be a stretch, but I figure in about a year from now I could swing it.

I
> > already feel guilty about wanting to replace my black 93 GT though. I
> > bought
> > it new (my 3rd black GT) and have put 182,000 enjoyable miles, but the

new
> > Mustang has really got me excited.
> >
> > Check this out....
> >
> > http://www.fordvehicles.com/autoshow/?submitImg=vehicle30|001|1

>
> You and I are in the same position, but I don't want to replace my '93,

just
> "augment" it.
>
> Google Images is great. Specifying "large full color JPG" uncovered this
> treasure trove of high-res wallpapers, including several of the GT500 in
> red:
>
>

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...c=color&imgsz=xxlarge&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&sa=G
>
> I had a Photoshopped montage on my screen, but decided to dump it. It was
> torturing me. Not only is $75,000 (or whatever) a tough nut to crack, but
> the dealer markup and/or bidding wars will be brutal.
>
> I'll keep my sights on the more manageable...
>
> dwight
>
>


$75,000!! Whaaaa???..... I was thinking $40,000. No way I can pay $75k for a
car. Don't go breaking my heart Ford!
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
dwight wrote:
> "Andy Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:mwQCf.36625$C%[email protected]
>> ...lust for the new Shelby GT 500, that is. Financially it's probably
>> going
>> to be a stretch, but I figure in about a year from now I could swing it. I
>> already feel guilty about wanting to replace my black 93 GT though. I
>> bought
>> it new (my 3rd black GT) and have put 182,000 enjoyable miles, but the new
>> Mustang has really got me excited.
>>
>> Check this out....
>>
>> http://www.fordvehicles.com/autoshow/?submitImg=vehicle30|001|1

>
> You and I are in the same position, but I don't want to replace my '93, just
> "augment" it.
>
> Google Images is great. Specifying "large full color JPG" uncovered this
> treasure trove of high-res wallpapers, including several of the GT500 in
> red:
>
> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...c=color&imgsz=xxlarge&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&sa=G
>
> I had a Photoshopped montage on my screen, but decided to dump it. It was
> torturing me. Not only is $75,000 (or whatever) a tough nut to crack, but
> the dealer markup and/or bidding wars will be brutal.
>
> I'll keep my sights on the more manageable...


I think the initial feeding frenzy will push the price of the GT500
fairly high but after that is over they will fall to the $50k range.
The same thing has happened to the Ford GT. They sold for close to
$250k at first but now you can get them new for a little above sticker.
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
"Ritz" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
>
> Why not just get a '06 GT and buy the Shelby kit directly from Shelby?
> You'll get all the looks and then you can decide if you want to spring for
> the power and other performance upgrades down the line.


That's heresey. Why don't I just buy used front and back pieces for my '93
LX, glue snakes all over it, and call it a Cobra? Hell, I "might" get Cobra
performance parts someday, too.

No, I won't drive a car that looks like something it's not. To someone who
knows what it means, the words "Shelby" and "Cobra" should be sacred.

dwight
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
"Michael Johnson, PE" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> dwight wrote:
>> "Andy Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:mwQCf.36625$C%[email protected]
>>> ...lust for the new Shelby GT 500, that is. Financially it's probably
>>> going
>>> to be a stretch, but I figure in about a year from now I could swing it.
>>> I
>>> already feel guilty about wanting to replace my black 93 GT though. I
>>> bought
>>> it new (my 3rd black GT) and have put 182,000 enjoyable miles, but the
>>> new
>>> Mustang has really got me excited.
>>>
>>> Check this out....
>>>
>>> http://www.fordvehicles.com/autoshow/?submitImg=vehicle30|001|1

>>
>> You and I are in the same position, but I don't want to replace my '93,
>> just "augment" it.
>>
>> Google Images is great. Specifying "large full color JPG" uncovered this
>> treasure trove of high-res wallpapers, including several of the GT500 in
>> red:
>>
>> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...c=color&imgsz=xxlarge&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&sa=G
>>
>> I had a Photoshopped montage on my screen, but decided to dump it. It was
>> torturing me. Not only is $75,000 (or whatever) a tough nut to crack, but
>> the dealer markup and/or bidding wars will be brutal.
>>
>> I'll keep my sights on the more manageable...

>
> I think the initial feeding frenzy will push the price of the GT500 fairly
> high but after that is over they will fall to the $50k range. The same
> thing has happened to the Ford GT. They sold for close to $250k at first
> but now you can get them new for a little above sticker.


It's true. $175,000 and drive one off the showroom floor.

:()
 
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
dwight wrote:
> "Ritz" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
>> Why not just get a '06 GT and buy the Shelby kit directly from Shelby?
>> You'll get all the looks and then you can decide if you want to spring for
>> the power and other performance upgrades down the line.

>
> That's heresey. Why don't I just buy used front and back pieces for my '93
> LX, glue snakes all over it, and call it a Cobra? Hell, I "might" get Cobra
> performance parts someday, too.
>
> No, I won't drive a car that looks like something it's not. To someone who
> knows what it means, the words "Shelby" and "Cobra" should be sacred.



Oh spare me. If it's not going to be a collector car, you may as well
make it look the way you want. Nobody said anything about passing it
off as a real Shelby. Same concept as all those outfits hawking
"Elanor" kits for 60's fastbacks.

I like the way the Shelby body kit looks on the new 'stang, but there is
absolutely no way I'd consider paying the usurious prices that the
dealers are going to gouge from people who've "got to have one." And
it's not even a money issue. I can afford a GT500 or even a GT, but it
just rubs me the wrong way that the dealers are gouging the enthusiasts
who've helped to keep this car alive for 40 years.

Cheers,
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
dwight wrote:
> "Michael Johnson, PE" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> dwight wrote:
>>> "Andy Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:mwQCf.36625$C%[email protected]
>>>> ...lust for the new Shelby GT 500, that is. Financially it's probably
>>>> going
>>>> to be a stretch, but I figure in about a year from now I could swing it.
>>>> I
>>>> already feel guilty about wanting to replace my black 93 GT though. I
>>>> bought
>>>> it new (my 3rd black GT) and have put 182,000 enjoyable miles, but the
>>>> new
>>>> Mustang has really got me excited.
>>>>
>>>> Check this out....
>>>>
>>>> http://www.fordvehicles.com/autoshow/?submitImg=vehicle30|001|1
>>> You and I are in the same position, but I don't want to replace my '93,
>>> just "augment" it.
>>>
>>> Google Images is great. Specifying "large full color JPG" uncovered this
>>> treasure trove of high-res wallpapers, including several of the GT500 in
>>> red:
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...c=color&imgsz=xxlarge&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&sa=G
>>>
>>> I had a Photoshopped montage on my screen, but decided to dump it. It was
>>> torturing me. Not only is $75,000 (or whatever) a tough nut to crack, but
>>> the dealer markup and/or bidding wars will be brutal.
>>>
>>> I'll keep my sights on the more manageable...

>> I think the initial feeding frenzy will push the price of the GT500 fairly
>> high but after that is over they will fall to the $50k range. The same
>> thing has happened to the Ford GT. They sold for close to $250k at first
>> but now you can get them new for a little above sticker.

>
> It's true. $175,000 and drive one off the showroom floor.


I just returned from the DC Auto show and the Ford rep said the
production run will be between 7,000 and 14,000 units. I hope it is the
latter. The sticker price they quoted to me was slightly over $40k for
the coupe and ~$50k for the convertible. I wish they had the
convertible there. Here's a few pictures I took:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8183a.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8182a.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8181a.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8180.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8179a.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8178a.jpg
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
"Michael Johnson, PE" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> dwight wrote:
>> "Michael Johnson, PE" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>>> dwight wrote:
>>>> "Andy Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:mwQCf.36625$C%[email protected]
>>>>> ...lust for the new Shelby GT 500, that is. Financially it's
>>>>> probably going
>>>>> to be a stretch, but I figure in about a year from now I could
>>>>> swing it. I
>>>>> already feel guilty about wanting to replace my black 93 GT
>>>>> though. I bought
>>>>> it new (my 3rd black GT) and have put 182,000 enjoyable miles, but
>>>>> the new
>>>>> Mustang has really got me excited.
>>>>>
>>>>> Check this out....
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.fordvehicles.com/autoshow/?submitImg=vehicle30|001|1
>>>> You and I are in the same position, but I don't want to replace my
>>>> '93, just "augment" it.
>>>>
>>>> Google Images is great. Specifying "large full color JPG" uncovered
>>>> this treasure trove of high-res wallpapers, including several of
>>>> the GT500 in red:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.google.com/imgres?

imgurl=http://dionex.shackspace.com/mus
>>>> tang/2005-Ford-Mustang-GT-warehouse-

1600x1200.jpg&imgrefurl=http://d
>>>> ionex.shackspace.com/mustang&h=1200&w=1600&sz=458&tbnid=4-

ocCO2iUGRB
>>>> JM:&tbnh=112&tbnw=150&hl=en&start=13&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dford%

2Bmusta
>>>> ng%2Bfiletype:jpg%26imgc%3Dcolor%26imgsz%3Dxxlarge%26svnum%3D10%

26hl
>>>> %3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG
>>>>
>>>> I had a Photoshopped montage on my screen, but decided to dump it.
>>>> It was torturing me. Not only is $75,000 (or whatever) a tough nut
>>>> to crack, but the dealer markup and/or bidding wars will be brutal.
>>>>
>>>> I'll keep my sights on the more manageable...
>>> I think the initial feeding frenzy will push the price of the GT500
>>> fairly high but after that is over they will fall to the $50k range.
>>> The same thing has happened to the Ford GT. They sold for close to
>>> $250k at first but now you can get them new for a little above
>>> sticker.

>>
>> It's true. $175,000 and drive one off the showroom floor.

>
> I just returned from the DC Auto show and the Ford rep said the
> production run will be between 7,000 and 14,000 units. I hope it is
> the latter. The sticker price they quoted to me was slightly over
> $40k for the coupe and ~$50k for the convertible. I wish they had the
> convertible there. Here's a few pictures I took:
>
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8183a.jpg
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8182a.jpg
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8181a.jpg
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8180.jpg
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8179a.jpg
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8178a.jpg


Awesome pix, Michael. What'd you take them with?

I really hope that guy wasn't lying, as $40k+ seems too good to be true.
We shall see, I guess. So let me know when one is sitting in your
driveway, eh? I hope I hear from you soon... ;)
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
Joe wrote:
> "Michael Johnson, PE" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>><snip>

>
> Awesome pix, Michael. What'd you take them with?


I took them with a Canon 300D and a Sigma 20mm prime lens. I have to
resize them when posting to Photobucket and I should have resized them
differently to retain better color and detail. The original files look
much better than the links.

> I really hope that guy wasn't lying, as $40k+ seems too good to be true.
> We shall see, I guess. So let me know when one is sitting in your
> driveway, eh? I hope I hear from you soon... ;)


Unless the GT500 is so expensive it pushes me toward a Z06 I hope to
have one this fall or early winter. It is the first Mustang to really
excite me since 1989. If they make enough (>10,000, IMO) I think the
price will settle down to something reasonable. I bet the first
2,000-3,000 go for big money though.

Also, I took these pictures just for you. Enjoy! ;)

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8218b.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8216b.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8215b.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8214b.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8180b.jpg
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
"Michael Johnson, PE" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Joe wrote:
>> "Michael Johnson, PE" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>><snip>

>>
>> Awesome pix, Michael. What'd you take them with?

>
> I took them with a Canon 300D and a Sigma 20mm prime lens. I have to
> resize them when posting to Photobucket and I should have resized them
> differently to retain better color and detail. The original files
> look much better than the links.


They still look great. Were you able to shoot without a tripod?
They're crystal clear.

>> I really hope that guy wasn't lying, as $40k+ seems too good to be
>> true. We shall see, I guess. So let me know when one is sitting in
>> your driveway, eh? I hope I hear from you soon... ;)

>
> Unless the GT500 is so expensive it pushes me toward a Z06 I hope to
> have one this fall or early winter. It is the first Mustang to really
> excite me since 1989. If they make enough (>10,000, IMO) I think the
> price will settle down to something reasonable. I bet the first
> 2,000-3,000 go for big money though.


Agreed. IMO Ford has to keep the price reasonable or people will do
exactly what you say - flock to the Z06.

> Also, I took these pictures just for you. Enjoy! ;)
>
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8218b.jpg
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8216b.jpg
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8215b.jpg
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8214b.jpg
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8180b.jpg


Thanks - very cool. What was your impression? BTW, I noticed that the
Challenger pix are not as clear as the Mustang pix. It still looks
great anyway... ;)
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
"Ritz" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
> dwight wrote:
>> "Ritz" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
>>> Why not just get a '06 GT and buy the Shelby kit directly from Shelby?
>>> You'll get all the looks and then you can decide if you want to spring
>>> for the power and other performance upgrades down the line.

>>
>> That's heresey. Why don't I just buy used front and back pieces for my
>> '93 LX, glue snakes all over it, and call it a Cobra? Hell, I "might" get
>> Cobra performance parts someday, too.
>>
>> No, I won't drive a car that looks like something it's not. To someone
>> who knows what it means, the words "Shelby" and "Cobra" should be sacred.

>
>
> Oh spare me. If it's not going to be a collector car, you may as well
> make it look the way you want. Nobody said anything about passing it off
> as a real Shelby. Same concept as all those outfits hawking "Elanor" kits
> for 60's fastbacks.


So, I can make a regular Mustang LOOK like a Shelby GT500, but I'm not
passing it off as one... I see.

> I like the way the Shelby body kit looks on the new 'stang, but there is
> absolutely no way I'd consider paying the usurious prices that the dealers
> are going to gouge from people who've "got to have one." And it's not
> even a money issue. I can afford a GT500 or even a GT, but it just rubs
> me the wrong way that the dealers are gouging the enthusiasts who've
> helped to keep this car alive for 40 years.
>
> Cheers,


I'm not one of those internet millionaires. I cannot afford one, unless
lightning strikes (Lightning being the winning numbers in the Powerball
lottery). But the fact that I can't afford one doesn't mean that it would be
okay or even a justifiable protest to slap Shelby pieces on my own car.

I don't know... Dressing a car up as something it's not, either you get it
or you don't.

dwight
 
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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
dwight wrote:
> "Ritz" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
>> dwight wrote:
>>> "Ritz" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
>>>> Why not just get a '06 GT and buy the Shelby kit directly from Shelby?
>>>> You'll get all the looks and then you can decide if you want to spring
>>>> for the power and other performance upgrades down the line.
>>> That's heresey. Why don't I just buy used front and back pieces for my
>>> '93 LX, glue snakes all over it, and call it a Cobra? Hell, I "might" get
>>> Cobra performance parts someday, too.
>>>
>>> No, I won't drive a car that looks like something it's not. To someone
>>> who knows what it means, the words "Shelby" and "Cobra" should be sacred.

>>
>> Oh spare me. If it's not going to be a collector car, you may as well
>> make it look the way you want. Nobody said anything about passing it off
>> as a real Shelby. Same concept as all those outfits hawking "Elanor" kits
>> for 60's fastbacks.

>
> So, I can make a regular Mustang LOOK like a Shelby GT500, but I'm not
> passing it off as one... I see.



I said to buy the body kit from Shelby because I like the way it looks.
The idea is not to "copy" a GT500. That would involve a lot more.


>> I like the way the Shelby body kit looks on the new 'stang, but there is
>> absolutely no way I'd consider paying the usurious prices that the dealers
>> are going to gouge from people who've "got to have one." And it's not
>> even a money issue. I can afford a GT500 or even a GT, but it just rubs
>> me the wrong way that the dealers are gouging the enthusiasts who've
>> helped to keep this car alive for 40 years.
>>
>> Cheers,

>
> I'm not one of those internet millionaires. I cannot afford one, unless
> lightning strikes (Lightning being the winning numbers in the Powerball
> lottery). But the fact that I can't afford one doesn't mean that it would be
> okay or even a justifiable protest to slap Shelby pieces on my own car.



*shrug*

A car is a machine, a device, a piece of equipment. If it pleases the
owner to change the way it looks cosmetically, what's the big deal?


> I don't know... Dressing a car up as something it's not, either you get it
> or you don't.



Then you are certainly free to leave your buggy bone stock. There's
nothing to "get" here other than your intolerance of other people's views.

That said, if the local dealer isn't trying to tack on $10-20k to the
price, I might just buy a "real" GT500. It's not the absolute price
that bothers me, but the fact that some opportunist (with Ford's tacit
agreement) is able to pad their pockets at the enthusiast's expense.

Have a wonderful day.
 
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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
Joe wrote:
> "Michael Johnson, PE" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Joe wrote:
>>> "Michael Johnson, PE" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>> Awesome pix, Michael. What'd you take them with?

>> I took them with a Canon 300D and a Sigma 20mm prime lens. I have to
>> resize them when posting to Photobucket and I should have resized them
>> differently to retain better color and detail. The original files
>> look much better than the links.

>
> They still look great. Were you able to shoot without a tripod?
> They're crystal clear.


Thanks. They were taken hand held. With a DSLR the ISO can be adjusted
to take low light pictures and the Sigma 20mm lens is also a very good
low light lens. The lighting at this years show wasn't very good.

Also, the displays weren't as good as last years. Mercedes' display
just plain sucked. They didn't even bring any "E" class cars. In
general, the majority of sedans are just so damn boring. If it weren't
for the badges on them you would swear they all came from the same
designer. Ford did have a pretty nice looking small SUV named the Edge
and I really liked the Fusion. I had not seen it before the show. Even
my wife liked it and she dislikes SUV's. The Pontiac Solstice was
another decent design.

>>> I really hope that guy wasn't lying, as $40k+ seems too good to be
>>> true. We shall see, I guess. So let me know when one is sitting in
>>> your driveway, eh? I hope I hear from you soon... ;)

>> Unless the GT500 is so expensive it pushes me toward a Z06 I hope to
>> have one this fall or early winter. It is the first Mustang to really
>> excite me since 1989. If they make enough (>10,000, IMO) I think the
>> price will settle down to something reasonable. I bet the first
>> 2,000-3,000 go for big money though.

>
> Agreed. IMO Ford has to keep the price reasonable or people will do
> exactly what you say - flock to the Z06.


That is what I am hoping. I really want to buy a GT500 but I'm not
going to get raped in the process and the Z06 is just too much more
performance to ignore if the money is about the same between them.

>> Also, I took these pictures just for you. Enjoy! ;)
>>
>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8218b.jpg
>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8216b.jpg
>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8215b.jpg
>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8214b.jpg
>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8180b.jpg

>
> Thanks - very cool. What was your impression? BTW, I noticed that the
> Challenger pix are not as clear as the Mustang pix. It still looks
> great anyway... ;)


I thought using a higher jpeg compression setting might be better but it
wasn't. Here's a new set using the same resizing method I used on the
GT500 pictures:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8218c.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8217c.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8216c.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8215c.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8214c.jpg
 
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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
"Ritz" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
> dwight wrote:
>>
>> So, I can make a regular Mustang LOOK like a Shelby GT500, but I'm not
>> passing it off as one... I see.

>
> I said to buy the body kit from Shelby because I like the way it looks.
> The idea is not to "copy" a GT500. That would involve a lot more.


I don't care for the flash without the sizzle. It'd be utterly meaningless.

>> I'm not one of those internet millionaires. I cannot afford one, unless
>> lightning strikes (Lightning being the winning numbers in the Powerball
>> lottery). But the fact that I can't afford one doesn't mean that it would
>> be okay or even a justifiable protest to slap Shelby pieces on my own
>> car.

>
>
> *shrug*
>
> A car is a machine, a device, a piece of equipment. If it pleases the
> owner to change the way it looks cosmetically, what's the big deal?
>
>> I don't know... Dressing a car up as something it's not, either you get
>> it or you don't.

>
>
> Then you are certainly free to leave your buggy bone stock. There's
> nothing to "get" here other than your intolerance of other people's views.


It goes beyond view, beyond image. It's fraud, pure and simple.

> That said, if the local dealer isn't trying to tack on $10-20k to the
> price, I might just buy a "real" GT500. It's not the absolute price that
> bothers me, but the fact that some opportunist (with Ford's tacit
> agreement) is able to pad their pockets at the enthusiast's expense.


In that, we agree.

dwight
(Seems we were saying this very thing not too long ago, when gasoline was
selling at $3.30+/gallon...)
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
"Michael Johnson, PE" <[email protected]> wrote in news:EKSdnV4Aa67GskPeRVn-
[email protected]:

> Joe wrote:
>> "Michael Johnson, PE" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> Joe wrote:
>>>> "Michael Johnson, PE" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>> Awesome pix, Michael. What'd you take them with?
>>> I took them with a Canon 300D and a Sigma 20mm prime lens. I have

to
>>> resize them when posting to Photobucket and I should have resized

them
>>> differently to retain better color and detail. The original files
>>> look much better than the links.

>>
>> They still look great. Were you able to shoot without a tripod?
>> They're crystal clear.

>
> Thanks. They were taken hand held. With a DSLR the ISO can be

adjusted
> to take low light pictures and the Sigma 20mm lens is also a very good
> low light lens. The lighting at this years show wasn't very good.


Then that's a tribute to the photographer and his equipment. Very nice
pix indeed.

> Also, the displays weren't as good as last years. Mercedes' display
> just plain sucked. They didn't even bring any "E" class cars. In
> general, the majority of sedans are just so damn boring. If it

weren't
> for the badges on them you would swear they all came from the same
> designer.


So true. Even on the road I have to look at the badge on a new car to
see who made it.

> Ford did have a pretty nice looking small SUV named the Edge
> and I really liked the Fusion. I had not seen it before the show.

Even
> my wife liked it and she dislikes SUV's.


I sort of feel the same way about Ford's lineup as all the others.
Bland and boring.

> The Pontiac Solstice was
> another decent design.


I've seen several of them on the road - every time I see one I do a
double take. Except for the fact that it'll get whipped by a Miata,
it's a very neat car.

>>>> I really hope that guy wasn't lying, as $40k+ seems too good to be
>>>> true. We shall see, I guess. So let me know when one is sitting

in
>>>> your driveway, eh? I hope I hear from you soon... ;)
>>> Unless the GT500 is so expensive it pushes me toward a Z06 I hope to
>>> have one this fall or early winter. It is the first Mustang to

really
>>> excite me since 1989. If they make enough (>10,000, IMO) I think

the
>>> price will settle down to something reasonable. I bet the first
>>> 2,000-3,000 go for big money though.

>>
>> Agreed. IMO Ford has to keep the price reasonable or people will do
>> exactly what you say - flock to the Z06.

>
> That is what I am hoping. I really want to buy a GT500 but I'm not
> going to get raped in the process and the Z06 is just too much more
> performance to ignore if the money is about the same between them.


Yes, there's probably a "jump point" you'll figure out after they go on
sale. At that point you take a ride to the Chevy dealer. Hey, you
never know - they might have a going-out-of-business sale... ;)

>>> Also, I took these pictures just for you. Enjoy! ;)
>>>
>>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8218b.jpg
>>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8216b.jpg
>>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8215b.jpg
>>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8214b.jpg
>>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8180b.jpg

>>
>> Thanks - very cool. What was your impression? BTW, I noticed that

the
>> Challenger pix are not as clear as the Mustang pix. It still looks
>> great anyway... ;)

>
> I thought using a higher jpeg compression setting might be better but

it
> wasn't. Here's a new set using the same resizing method I used on the
> GT500 pictures:
>
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8218c.jpg
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8217c.jpg
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8216c.jpg
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8215c.jpg
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8214c.jpg


Excellent! So what's your take on the Challenger after seeing it up
close?
 
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·
Discussion Starter · #18 ·
dwight wrote:
> "Ritz" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
>>
>> A car is a machine, a device, a piece of equipment. If it pleases the
>> owner to change the way it looks cosmetically, what's the big deal?
>>
>>> I don't know... Dressing a car up as something it's not, either you get
>>> it or you don't.

>>
>> Then you are certainly free to leave your buggy bone stock. There's
>> nothing to "get" here other than your intolerance of other people's views.

>
> It goes beyond view, beyond image. It's fraud, pure and simple.



Oh please. Get over it...get over yourself. If I wanted image, I'd
just buy a Ferrari.

*chuckle*
 
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·
Discussion Starter · #19 ·
Joe wrote:
> "Michael Johnson, PE" <[email protected]> wrote in news:EKSdnV4Aa67GskPeRVn-
> [email protected]:
>
>> Joe wrote:
>>> "Michael Johnson, PE" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>> "Michael Johnson, PE" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>> Awesome pix, Michael. What'd you take them with?
>>>> I took them with a Canon 300D and a Sigma 20mm prime lens. I have

> to
>>>> resize them when posting to Photobucket and I should have resized

> them
>>>> differently to retain better color and detail. The original files
>>>> look much better than the links.
>>> They still look great. Were you able to shoot without a tripod?
>>> They're crystal clear.

>> Thanks. They were taken hand held. With a DSLR the ISO can be

> adjusted
>> to take low light pictures and the Sigma 20mm lens is also a very good
>> low light lens. The lighting at this years show wasn't very good.

>
> Then that's a tribute to the photographer and his equipment. Very nice
> pix indeed.


Thanks again but I'm a mediocre photographer, at best. I do enjoy it
though. Aside from fast cars, it's probably one of my favorite hobbies.

>> Also, the displays weren't as good as last years. Mercedes' display
>> just plain sucked. They didn't even bring any "E" class cars. In
>> general, the majority of sedans are just so damn boring. If it

> weren't
>> for the badges on them you would swear they all came from the same
>> designer.

>
> So true. Even on the road I have to look at the badge on a new car to
> see who made it.
>
>> Ford did have a pretty nice looking small SUV named the Edge
>> and I really liked the Fusion. I had not seen it before the show.

> Even
>> my wife liked it and she dislikes SUV's.

>
> I sort of feel the same way about Ford's lineup as all the others.
> Bland and boring.


Ford didn't have any really moving cars outside of the Mustang. They
also weren't any worse than the other manufacturers like GM, Toyota,
Nissan etc.

>> The Pontiac Solstice was
>> another decent design.

>
> I've seen several of them on the road - every time I see one I do a
> double take. Except for the fact that it'll get whipped by a Miata,
> it's a very neat car.


It's short on grunt but I give Pontiac their props for making it. It
really is targeted toward the younger crowd and the teenagers and young
adults in our family love it. I would rather see them make it
affordable to them than turn it into a car few can afford to buy or insure.

>>>>> I really hope that guy wasn't lying, as $40k+ seems too good to be
>>>>> true. We shall see, I guess. So let me know when one is sitting

> in
>>>>> your driveway, eh? I hope I hear from you soon... ;)
>>>> Unless the GT500 is so expensive it pushes me toward a Z06 I hope to
>>>> have one this fall or early winter. It is the first Mustang to

> really
>>>> excite me since 1989. If they make enough (>10,000, IMO) I think

> the
>>>> price will settle down to something reasonable. I bet the first
>>>> 2,000-3,000 go for big money though.
>>> Agreed. IMO Ford has to keep the price reasonable or people will do
>>> exactly what you say - flock to the Z06.

>> That is what I am hoping. I really want to buy a GT500 but I'm not
>> going to get raped in the process and the Z06 is just too much more
>> performance to ignore if the money is about the same between them.

>
> Yes, there's probably a "jump point" you'll figure out after they go on
> sale. At that point you take a ride to the Chevy dealer. Hey, you
> never know - they might have a going-out-of-business sale... ;)


I'm really worried about GM. They just seem to slip deeper into the red
and do hardly nothing to stop it. At least Ford is fighting back and
trying to find a niche.

>>>> Also, I took these pictures just for you. Enjoy! ;)
>>>>
>>>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8218b.jpg
>>>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8216b.jpg
>>>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8215b.jpg
>>>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8214b.jpg
>>>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8180b.jpg
>>> Thanks - very cool. What was your impression? BTW, I noticed that

> the
>>> Challenger pix are not as clear as the Mustang pix. It still looks
>>> great anyway... ;)

>> I thought using a higher jpeg compression setting might be better but

> it
>> wasn't. Here's a new set using the same resizing method I used on the
>> GT500 pictures:
>>
>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8218c.jpg
>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8217c.jpg
>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8216c.jpg
>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8215c.jpg
>> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_8214c.jpg

>
> Excellent! So what's your take on the Challenger after seeing it up
> close?


It is an absolutely beautiful car. The lines are great and it really
does justice to the Challenger of old. If they made a convertible and
had a 400+ hp engine I would seriously consider buying one. DC should
put that car into their showrooms ASAP. IMO they would sell as good as
the Mustang if they were priced right.
 
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·
Discussion Starter · #20 ·
"dwight" <[email protected]> wrote:


>
> That's heresey. Why don't I just buy used front and back pieces for my
> '93 LX, glue snakes all over it, and call it a Cobra? Hell, I "might"
> get Cobra performance parts someday, too.
>
> No, I won't drive a car that looks like something it's not. To someone
> who knows what it means, the words "Shelby" and "Cobra" should be
> sacred.
>


Get over it!

The beauty of car enthusiasm is that you CAN do what you want, the way you
want.

If I hold you to your views, you dont like SN65, either... right?

While I reserve the right to freakin' DROOL over it.

--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!
 
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