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why are you fitting a camber kit to the rear of an AU falcon it has a fully adjustable rear end and it wont need it i might off misunderstood but if it is a beam axle rear end well something is bent or the chassis is bent
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hmmm... i don't know, but that doesn't look very adjustable to me. it's just an axle with wheels attached to it. maybe we're not talking about the same thing, because nothing's bent, and that's not an issue at all. i just want something like 1.5 degrees of camber so the car sticks to the road better.
 

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ok lets get some thing straight here what type of car do you have and does it have irs rear end if it has you can adjust the the camber of the rear wheel but if you doo that you will start wearing the tyres out and i pressure you are taking about the rear
please let me know
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no irs - as i said in the title it's a live axle, ie. solid axle. i wish it had an irs but no such luck. yes, i know it'll wear out the tyres on the inside, but nothing simple tyre rotation can't slow down. my front wheels are cambered by about 1.5 degrees (or were until ford screwed it up) and the difference in handling is quite noticable. with camber, there's hardly any understeer but it's noticable without it. i say it's worth it.
 

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In my limited engineering mind I would think the money you would spend to get your rear end modifyed - you would be better off spending it on springs and shocks.

i imagine you would have to strip the diff and weld in the shims to adjust the camber, not only that but would changing the camber also change the angle of the axles sitting inside the diff??. If yours was a V8 supercar I would say "do It" but I doubt you would see any real benefits driving on our second rate roads.
Just my two bobs worth

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CRIKEY!
what i got from a few people is that it's a pretty simple process. one person said i'd have to bend the axle to give me camber! uhm, i don't think so! but i mean, if it involves major mechanical work, i'm not going to bother, i'll just get a decent swaybar down the back and that's it. i've already got koni shocks and whiteline springs as it is, but i always want more.
 

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The stiffer the rear end, the more oversteer you'll introduce, so you may not need a much bigger rear sway bar.
 

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I have heard of bending the diff housing but I don't think too many people can really do this in their backyard.
One thing you can do (that is if they don't already do it) is to keep the standard rear sway bar and just rebush it with nolathane, another trick that used to work with the earlier models (which is basically the same setup)is to rebush the watts linkage with nolathane - should tighten up the back end without upsetting the balance too much.

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I think what you are dancing around here is the upper control arm geometry upgrade to reduce "roll steer". Whiteline automotive (Selbys Swaybars) make it its @$200. comes with modified arms and brilliant nylon non slip bushes. I did the mod on my EF.

I had to redrill the pivot points on the axles.

However, your AU already comes with multi drill holes. get under your car and look, just behind the spring housings where the upper control arm bolts to the axle.

Ford introduced the multi pivot holes on the EL, so you don't have to do any drilling (WHEW!!) but the arms should still make a difference - ring whiteline.
 

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I hate to be a party pooper, but changing the camber on a live axle car is impossible, without doing MAJOR damage to your cars geometery or diff, basically you would need to have some custom CV's made up and custom driveshafts, for that amount of money you could install the whole ford IRS rear end
 

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yeah, that's something i've just realised as well. looks like talks of live axle caster kits was exactly that - just talk!
 

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when did you get this mod done? i went to whiteline a couple of years back, and the only model they had the revised upper arms for was the EB-ED. they told me that the revised upper arm was unnecessary for an EF.

you redrilled pivot points on the axle? so they still pivot in the same location on the body? i thought the XRs had same location on the axle, but located further forward on the body...
 

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I got a rear sway bar on the wagon as i felt the wagon has a really under steery turning response, so it lighten things up, turns heaps better but not to much that it induces roll oversteer like a Commo.
 

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Oh yeah,

For me a Live Axe rules, as you don't need to worry about adjustments and tyre wear will always be dead even for the ass end.

Especially with the good ol horse and cart springs even less maintenance.
 

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EF_Falcon_Guy,

It's interesting to see you've fitted the swaybar to the rear. I thought of doing that and quizzed Tickfords why they left it off. Their answer was that it would induce too much oversteer. I guess they were looking at it from a "mass production" point of view not individual.

What brand and what size did you use? Did you do anything to the front bar (or suspension)to compensate??

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Paul B
 
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