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Now that the press has published some info I can do the same....

Thanks to my anonymous “contact” at Ford Oz I had the privilege of driving the new Ford Territory recently and I have to say I was very impressed. As the owner of a BA Futura wagon since Feb this year it was a great opportunity to compare the two and I now know what I’ll be doing when I come to trade-in the Futura.

The Territory AWD was a high series model, almost Fairmont Ghia specced, with full leather, premium sound, rear sub woofer and tweeters fitted in the front doors behind the side-rear vision mirrors, full electric seating with memory function and enough storage compartments/holders that you’ll need a written list to remember where things are kept. One great idea is the drink holders in the rear of the front door pockets beside your hip.

As I mentioned this was an AWD model I6/A4and the first obvious thing off the mark is the slower acceleration than our Futura wagon due to its greater weight. This is however the only “down-side” as dynamically the Territory will run rings around the current wagon and more importantly in its class should be up top within the group. Through the first roundabout or “speed-control-chicane” and you instantly feel the car shrink in size. It’s not as long as a BA wagon (shorter rear cargo area though not by much) and its turning circle is amazing. The Territory seemed a little louder than our Futura under general driving but one massive improvement is the sunvisor/windscreen position relative to your head. No more feeling as though the visor will impale your forehead as you swing it back and forwards and the higher driving position is great. I drove through some local suburban side streets and the further I went the more I felt like I could easily “throw” it around. It just had great steering, absolutely fantastic brakes that bit hard but could be easily controlled. The constant question I kept asking myself is “when will the car’s bulk show itself?” and honestly it never did. You might laugh, however it reminded me of my wife’s old Mondeo which had great handling never fully appreciated by the press or enough owners. I never once felt that I was pushing around a bulky 4WD, so good was the handling and steering reaction as I zig-zagged through my local streets. The front seating and dash are very BA similar and in my opinion simple elegance (I wish climate control were a Futura option), while the rear seating is NOT like your typical big 4WD seating position, ie. an awkward knees up and shallow foot well. I know a little about this because at this year’s Melbourne Motor Show I sat in the rear seat of every open 4WD on display including Landcrusier, Prado, Patrol, Discovery etc…and they all lacked proper rear seating caused by a higher floor pan to aid clearance I guess. In the Territory’s rear seats you sit as though in a sedan with plenty of legroom and the back of your legs are supported by the seat cushion making it far more comfortable. The rear doors open wider, you can get in and out far easier than our Futura wagon and because of the higher body you won’t hit your head as easily if you have to place a child in a baby seat as I now do regularly.

The rear cargo area is not as deep as a current BA wagon, however it is taller and seems just as wide. This version didn’t have the third row of seating. The rear glass opens separately to the tailgate and I can see our dog hanging out the back, still safe from jumping over the lower section but not needing side windows to be left open if ever left alone for a few minutes.

I guess the single biggest impression I’m left with is how bloody well the Territory drove. It felt like a car of a size down from the Falcon, tight and nimble. Do you know the feeling you get when you jump into a new car you’ve never driven before and yet everything falls into place instantly. You can start driving more quickly, make sharper turns into corners, brake later and have some fun. It doesn’t wallow or float at all and is very BA sedan-like in this regard. A turbo in this would be the icing on the cake because its ride and handling are so car-like, even now I’m still amazed that a high-body AWD can be so agile. Would I buy one, in a second but then again I think I’m exactly the type of buyer it’s aimed at. I need wagon practicality, like some luxuries of say Fairmont specifications, have a child, own a large dog and like to drive as much as possible (even to the post box round the corner!) and so Territory fills these requirements perfectly. The great surprise is that I get great sedan-like driving qualities included.
 

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Sounds like you had fun mate.

I wouldn't mind a drive of one myself one day, but i dont think i'd ever own one (just dont suit my lifestyle).

They sound like great cars tho.
 

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Sounds like you had fun mate.

I wouldn't mind a drive of one myself one day, but i dont think i'd ever own one (just dont suit my lifestyle).

They sound like great cars tho.
I did have a ball. I can understand the lifestyle thing..the target market would be a family looking at the new Honda MDX, Toyota Kluger, Cherokee, etc....
 

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Now that the press has published some info I can do the same....

Thanks to my anonymous “contact” at Ford Oz I had the privilege of driving the new Ford Territory recently and I have to say I was very impressed. As the owner of a BA Futura wagon since Feb this year it was a great opportunity to compare the two and I now know what I’ll be doing when I came to trade-in the Futura.

The Territory AWD was a high series model, almost Fairmont Ghia specced, with full leather, premium sound, rear sub woofer and tweeters fitted in the front doors behind the side-rear vision mirrors, full electric seating with memory function and enough storage compartments/holders that you’ll need a written list to remember where things are kept. One great idea is the drink holders in the rear of the front door pockets beside your hip.

As I mentioned this was an AWD model I6/A4and the first obvious thing off the mark is the slower acceleration than our Futura wagon due to its greater weight. This is however the only “down-side” as dynamically the Territory will run rings around the current wagon and more importantly in its class should be up top within the group. Through the first roundabout or “speed-control-chicane” and you instantly feel the car shrink in size. It’s not as long as a BA wagon (shorter rear cargo area though not by much) and its turning circle is amazing. The Territory seemed a little louder than our Futura under general driving but one massive improvement is the sunvisor/windscreen position relative to your head. No more feeling as though the visor will impale your forehead as you swing it back and forwards and the higher driving position is great. I drove through some local suburban side streets and the further I went the more I felt like I could easily “throw” it around. It just had great steering, absolutely fantastic brakes that bit hard but could be easily controlled. The constant question I kept asking myself is “when will the car’s bulk show itself?” and honestly it never did. You might laugh, however it reminded me of my wife’s old Mondeo which had great handling never fully appreciated by the press or enough owners. I never once felt that I was pushing around a bulky 4WD, so good was the handling and steering reaction as I zig-zagged through my local streets. The front seating and dash are very BA similar and in my opinion simple elegance (I wish climate control were a Futura option), while the rear seating is NOT like your typical big 4WD seating position, ie. an awkward knees up and shallow foot well. I know a little about this because at this year’s Melbourne Motor Show I sat in the rear seat of every open 4WD on display including Landcrusier, Prado, Patrol, Discovery etc…and they all lacked proper rear seating caused by a higher floor pan to aid clearance I guess. In the Territory’s rear seats you sit as though in a sedan with plenty of legroom and the back of your legs are supported by the seat cushion making it far more comfortable. The rear doors open wider, you can get in and out far easier than our Futura wagon and because of the higher body you won’t hit your head as easily if you have to place a child in a baby seat as I now do regularly.

The rear cargo area is not as deep as a current BA wagon, however it is taller and seems just as wide. This version didn’t have the third row of seating. The rear glass opens separately to the tailgate and I can see our dog hanging out the back, still safe from jumping over the lower section but not needing side windows to be left open if ever left alone for a few minutes.

I guess the single biggest impression I’m left with is how bloody well the Territory drove. It felt like a car of a size down from the Falcon, tight and nimble. Do you know the feeling you get when you jump into a new car you’ve never driven before and yet everything falls into place instantly. You can start driving more quickly, make sharper turns into corners, brake later and have some fun. It doesn’t wallow or float at all and is very BA sedan-like in this regard. A turbo in this would be the icing on the cake because its ride and handling are so car-like, even now I’m still amazed that a high-body AWD can be so agile. Would I buy one, in a second but then again I think I’m exactly the type of buyer it’s aimed at. I need wagon practicality, like some luxuries of say Fairmont specifications, have a child, own a large dog and like to drive as much as possible (even to the post box round the corner!) and so Territory fills these requirements perfectly. The great surprise is that I get great sedan-like driving qualities included.
Curls, One quick question, did the automatic have a 4, 5 or 6 speeds ?
 

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Sound's good mate,it's good to hear it drive's like a sedan and not a 2 tonne truck,I'm looking forward to my 1st drive of one of these thing's.
 

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I agree Curls, fortunately i had the same opportunity earlier on in the year. To me it felt much like the XT, but yet while feeling the higher centre of gravity, by no means did it feel like it would seem by its size.

The wide angles of viewing from the cabin in all directions and the amount of storage options available was the highlights, and simply the ease in which it drove. I think while i'm a long way off buying one they will sell pretty well
 

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I was very disappointed Ford dropping top of the line V8wagons (but I'm in the minority) as prior to my current XR I had 4 wagons and miss the practability very much though I love being in the XR on my own without the wife and 2 kids.

I changed my mind after having a closer look at the Motor Show and I was impressed.
Curls good read and you have got me waiting for the release even more now as it looks the goods for Mums new Taxi instead of those Jap soft roaders which are way over priced imo.......
 

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Great read Curls, sounds like the vehicle is heading in the right direction at the moment. Will be good to see how they drive closer to release date, and when any bugs are ironed out, and after the feedback they receive.

Now to get my contact at Ford bringing one around for me to judge for myself!
 

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Thats great, I never lost faith in "Tezza". IF ford wanted to keep the wagon, it would need a V8, manual and the availiabilty of a front 3 seat bench. most of all it should be cheap as all f**k for fleets to remain interested. Id still buy one, ive always liked wagons.
 

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^^^ DAMN! Suspense!! ^^^

Sounds excellent. I am reading and hearing more and more good stories about the Territory. I really hope Ford market this well and get people giving them a squirt at the dealer to understand how good they are. Very exciting considering it's a locally designed and made AWD. Definitely a big thumbs up for Ford for doing something a little out of the ordinary (for an Australian-based car manufacturer).
 

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^^^ DAMN! Suspense!! ^^^

Sounds excellent. I am reading and hearing more and more good stories about the Territory. I really hope Ford market this well and get people giving them a squirt at the dealer to understand how good they are. Very exciting considering it's a locally designed and made AWD. Definitely a big thumbs up for Ford for doing something a little out of the ordinary (for an Australian-based car manufacturer).
Ford are going to allow test drives of early build Territory's by giving every dealer a car before release date (which is a risky first I think) and if all goes well would create a very big order book early on so their marketing in that sense sounds positive. Hopefully mass media (print & electronic) will be exciting and represent the great drive that a Territory will possess. The cricket updates on 3AW are already sponsored by Territory and I think there is advertising at the cricket grounds already.
 

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Curls said:
Maybe we should keep that quiet for now....
I think thats about all the information I needed.... :wnc:

Ford will be the first local manufacturer to have a 5/6 speed automatic, and I can see the same box landing in the Falcon BAII a few months later.

This should help improve fuel economy, and acceleration in the Falcon !. Just a little less weight and a slight engine tweak, and I wont have to buy a turbo or a V8 to get less than 7 seconds for 0-100km/h.

I guess its no secret considering Holden will have a 5 speed auto in the VZ , along with the HFV6 !.

I recon the auto's will be faster than the manuals once we get a 6 speed auto !

C'mon Ford, bring on the BAII !!!!! (my bank account is getting fatter !)
 

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I dont think it should be judged on performance, its not really a performance car.

it was funny today while i was at a ford dealer on work experiance i asked one of the mechanics what he thought of the Territory and he hadnt even heard about it before, saying that though some of the other more onto it mechanics would probably have known
 

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Actually JamesA im pretty sure the magna already has a 5 speed automatic.
Just checked Jan 2004 wheels. The standard Magna's (ES, AWD and LS) have a 4-speed, while the VR, VR-AWD, VRX and Verada have a 5-speed auto.
Hmm, Damn, beaten again.

Also read the spec sheet in this Friday's Herald-Sum which described a first test-drive, and it specified a 4-speed auto..

Read in Motor mag a few months back that the up spec models were going to get a 6 speed auto (made by ZF). By up spec I mean Fairmont, XR's, GT's and Fairlane.
Considering most Janguars have a 5-speed, and in some cases a 6-speed auto, how hard would it be to convert over.

Even if it was made available as an option, I would certainly choose it.
(for an extra $2-4k, it would be worth it !)

Ford is usually good with the gadgets (ie..electric windows..etc), why cant it be a leader mechanically for once!

Can someone please wake Ford up !!! :zzz:
 
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