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Thanks to Drive.com.au...

Ford plans V8 counterpunch
First Published: The Age
Thursday, April 12, 2001

Ford will launch a 255kW V8 this year and an all-new engine with 280kW in late 2002.

By TOBY HAGON

The Ford-versus-Holden performance war is alive and well, with Ford set to make the next move by boosting its T-Series range - again.

In a couple of months, the T-Series will get a bigger V8 engine aimed at matching HSV's class-leading 255 kilowatts of power and further position Ford's relatively recent brand addition as a true HSV contender.

And, more than a year away, expect to see an all-new 5.4-litre V8 engine with as much as 280kW in a Falcon.

Ford sources say the new engine, due this year, will measure 5.7 litres in capacity, lineball with HSV's 5.7-litre. Power is expected to be neck-and-neck, with each good for 255kW.

The extra Ford grunt comes from an engine enlargement program where the engine's capacity is "stroked", increasing capacity from 5.0 to 5.7 litres. In turn, both power and torque are improved considerably, and some Ford sources are quietly confident that the local development on the soon-to-be-dead Windsor V8 will result in a car that will be as quick, or quicker, than the equivalent HSV.

The Ford move is in many ways similar to what HSV did about seven years ago when it provided a bigger, more powerful version of the regular Commodore V8 engine. It also allows Ford to put its existing top engine, the 220kW 5.0-litre V8, into the more affordable XR8, giving it a bigger boost against Holden's Commodore SS.

The latest Ford power push comes less than two years away from a switch to an all-new V8, the first in more than 30 years for Falcon. Production of the current American-made engine is set to cease soon, and Ford Australia is already developing and tuning a new 5.4-litre engine for the updated 2003 Falcon.

One engine that's already being looked at is the 5.4-litre Mustang Cobra R powerplant, which pumps out 280kW and requires modifications to the bonnet to allow it to fit into the Falcon's engine bay. The all-new Ford V8 engine is much more sophisticated than the present offering and promises more potent performance more efficiently.

It is said to drop the Falcon's 0-100km/h time to just over five seconds.

Of course, HSV will still have the final say in the power game in the shorter term, having eked 300kW from its low-volume engine that's fitted to the 90-grand GTS sedan.

But the Ford vs Holden performance war goes much further than engines. Already, each manufacturer is quietly conscious of invoking a potentially damaging power war, similar to that of the 1970s that saw the Federal Government join the debate. Some insiders have suggested that each maker is reluctant to push far beyond 300kW in an effort to prevent government intervention.

But where locally-made V8 muscle cars were once all about straight-line go and radical winged looks, each maker is now keen to have world-class levels of handling and stopping. HSV already has a potent set of stoppers on its GTS, but even bigger race-car style brakes are due on some HSV models before the end of the year. Ford, too, is developing a bigger set of brakes for its T-Series. It's likely to debut the new anchors on the updated car mid-year.

Then there's the spoiler kits and general cosmetic package, which most would agree HSV has the edge on at the moment. But Ford is said to be working on further improving the appearance of its T-Series.

Whatever happens, there's little doubt buyers will benefit from all-round better - and perhaps more importantly, faster - cars.


Yeeeehhaaaaaa!!!!!!!!
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Awesome power and Torque even on our fuel. ;)

Id expect a six manual for sure with this thing and its great to see they have realised that the T's need more agressive looks. :)

Wonder how much more than the current cast iron block Windsor it will weigh?:mad:
 

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Good point Dr XR, Hopefully it won't be much. I will be very interested on how the stroker motor performs in all aspects of the spectrum
 

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If they can get a 6.6 out of the 220, surely the stroker would be high 5's to 6 flat.

With the superior suspension and build quality, it'll be the best local V8 by a country mile...
 

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We already know the Windsor sound alot better than a LS1 vacum cleaner:D and the stroker might be even better:p but the Cobra Rs V8 is said to be even better sounding than the Windsor:D

Id love to see a blown version of that engine. One things for sure though id hate to be wasting my hard earned on a GTS when 60 and 65k vehicles will be as good in some areas and better in others. Wonder what we can expect for the GT?
 

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I think we all did. It's just nice to see the press play catch up for once... ;)
 
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here's one..

I read on the BON forum under one of the many yank topics, that stated the new 4.6 or 5.4 was the same size or same weight as the Ford 460 from the 70's.
That 460 is from my era. its big and its mean. There is not enough room under the bonnet of an XR now for a 5.8 windsor and they want to stuff a 4.6 or 5.4 with the same dims as a 460 under the bonnet. Can anybody tell me, do they intend to change the engine bay...or do they intend to use a bonnet scoop......to accomodate the mother.

the clock starts now....tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, etc
 

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I think you'll see a redesigned engine bay, with a decent bulge in the bonnet ala Cobra R to fit the sucker in..
 

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Whats this rumour about Ford Aus getting the new V8 right and no one else has yet managed to do it, fly - by - wire or some thing?

Yep, thats the rumour, fly-by-wire throttle for better response and they can now fine tune to the extreme because it would be all electronic.

They are playing with it now, the 300+ has it!
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Give me the bulge in the bonnet anyday. Phase 4 here we come, second time around.
 
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Just a thought Ford Man.

1/ would they go for a bulge.
2/ would they go for a bulge plus shaker or equiv.
3/ would they redesign engine bay.
4/ or all of the above.

what would the cost be for tooling etc, from experience the left hand side of the car is dearer than the right due to tooling cost's. the bonnet would be the best, however that does'nt fix the width problem.

plus the whole front suspension system would have to be redesigned to accomodate the width, plus exhaust/s,
unless they ran a flathead setup, that way the engine bay could stay the same.

geoff if your reading this. your comments.
 

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Doc ..I guess they are talking size dimensions.Hell if they are talking same weight as a 460 then they better put something on a diet.The heads are huge on the multivalve multi cam V8s. I've seen the 4.6 quad cam in the mustang and it's a tight squeeze.
 
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