[Gruntly]

I was just wondering if anyone knows the power output of a 72 xa falcon with a 351c. It's just that I found a place with one that looks great and for a decent price, but I don't know if it's p-plate legal. Basically, the way I figure it, 125 kw per tonne means that, if the xa weighs 1500kg, it can be anything up to 187.5kw before it's illegal for me to drive it. But I can't find any info on the power output OR the weight of an xa.

 

[xacoupe]

gruntly.. a 351 in a XA (or any ford ) is NOT P Plate legal ....the stupid thing is that as the power was measured gross 300hp/224 Kw for the 4v, later cars which were actually faster.. An EA MPEFI manual is easily equal to a standard XA GT and completely legal as its only 139 kw...net
If you want a 351 .. buy a 302 and stroke it .. leave the red rocker covers on, have the original engine in the car that matches the compliance plates which will say its a 302...there is no way to tell them apart visually.
You can get an exemption from this law if you tow horses or a big boat or if your job requires you to drive cars over the KW/Tonne limit .. ie a mechanic
hope this helps

 

[Gruntly]

Thanks XA Turns out the car in question, an XA sedan with only 44000 miles on the clock for $2000, was sold about a month back. :fmad: I wasn't really interested in the V8 (would have been much happier if it was the 6) but the condition plus the price equalled mass hysteria on my part. Probably for the best that I didn't buy it then, huh?

Anyway, could you explain this gross vs. net calculation thing to me? Just that one of my friends seems to think it legal, but I think chances are he's wrong and you're right. It's driving me :CraZ:

 

[xacoupe]

I can guarantee that its not P Plate legal .. it used to be my job to know that .. amongst other things

Gross Vs Nett .. Once upon a time power was measured with no water pump/alternator/air filter/anything ... this gave you a measure that was really only good for comparative purposes.. there is no way to really recreate it in a car..

Nett is with all those things added .. plus probably an exhaust ( I am not 100% sure of that ). This means that the power figure quoted is far more realistic

I cant remember the exact ratio but I think the formula is 125 KW / Tonne ..

a 1975 351 4V was rated at 300 hp (224 kw) a 1982 was 149Kw .. even taking into account pollution stuff .. thats a huge difference.

hope this is of help

 

[Martin]

Im no expert on older Falcons, but in XYs and XAs, the Non-GT 351s had around 160-180Kw or something??


The different between Net and Gross Hp is usually quoted to be between 10-15%

 

[MADXF]

I was pretty sure that you could drive a 351 XC on your P's.

Could someone Correct/clarify?

cheers.

 

[xacoupe]

no way .. I think a 351 in a early LTD is marginal too. 351 in anything is not P Plate legal

 

[xacoupe]

I remembered after I posted ..

Police stations have a list of cars that you arent allowed to drive .. if in doubt go and get one.

Early 2v 351's were 250 hp .. whatever that converts to

 

[Aussie Pete]

Early 2v 351's were 250 hp .. whatever that converts to

250hp = 185kW

 

[xacoupe]

185kw in todays money is heaps more that 185kw back then.


Anyway .. put some orange rocker covers on it, a 302 decal on the air cleaner and make sure no references to 5.8 or 351 anywhere and you would have to find a very knowledagble copper to find you out !!!

 

[Gruntly]

Hmmm, I think I'll have to get one of those lists you mentioned, best to be on the safe side.

Oh, and if anyone is interested in an XT GT, there's one in the Melbourne Trading Post for $5500. Apparently it needs a bit of paint and a tune up. I'm not sure, but that doesn't sound like a half bad deal to me.

 

[smciner1]

XA V8 Engine factory rated outputs

302 Cleveland 2 Barrel 240 hp (180 kw)

351 Cleveland 2 Barrel 260 hp (195 kw)

351 Cleveland 4 Barrel 300 hp (225 kw)

Hope this helps

 

[Gruntly]

Thanks smciner!

Don't suppose you could tell me where you got these stats? I've been trying to find a comprehensive fact sheet forever.

 

[smciner1]

Factory worshop manuals, brochures etc. from the period.

 

[Cobra]

yes I was under the impression that the stock 351 was 195kw too.

 

[xacoupe]

the KW depends on whether it was a 2 or 4 barrel motor ....

 

[Gruntly]

If the XA/XB/XC body weights over 1560kg, that means that the 2 barrel carby 351 is p-plate legal, while the 4 barrel isn't! Oh boy is that going to be confusing. :CraZ:

 

[XAHardtop]

XA Coupes weigh in at 1557 i believe...........and these were heavier than the sedan.