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i absolutely love my Mustang. When my husband bought it for me for our
anniversary, it was the car of my dreams. BUT...i don't know anything
about it really, i put the key in and drive. (Blissfully!) Thankfully
he's more of a gear head than i am. We've been looking into replacing
the original 2bbl carb with a 4bbl (she's a 289 automatic w/ a new dual
exhaust). So now i'm learning about CFMs. What can a stock 289 handle?
How do i find out what the flow rate is with the current carb? If i
drop a 4bbl in, aside from replacing the manifold, what else do i need
to do? He talked about perhaps changing the ratio on the rocker arms to
avoid doing anything with the cam shaft, is that an option? (i hope i
repeated that correctly!)
Also, while i'm here, is one brand of headers as good as the next?
Patriot and/or Flow Tech particularly? What do the experts like and
why? (in other words, how do i choose???)
Thanks for the opportunity to ask my questions. Everybody's gotta
start SOMEWHERE, right? As much as i love driving my baby, i want to
drive FASTER!

ponygurl
 
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mustang sally wrote:
> i absolutely love my Mustang. When my husband bought it for me for our
> anniversary, it was the car of my dreams. BUT...i don't know anything
> about it really, i put the key in and drive. (Blissfully!) Thankfully
> he's more of a gear head than i am. We've been looking into replacing
> the original 2bbl carb with a 4bbl (she's a 289 automatic w/ a new dual
> exhaust). So now i'm learning about CFMs. What can a stock 289 handle?
> How do i find out what the flow rate is with the current carb? If i
> drop a 4bbl in, aside from replacing the manifold, what else do i need
> to do? He talked about perhaps changing the ratio on the rocker arms to
> avoid doing anything with the cam shaft, is that an option? (i hope i
> repeated that correctly!)
> Also, while i'm here, is one brand of headers as good as the next?
> Patriot and/or Flow Tech particularly? What do the experts like and
> why? (in other words, how do i choose???)
> Thanks for the opportunity to ask my questions. Everybody's gotta
> start SOMEWHERE, right? As much as i love driving my baby, i want to
> drive FASTER!
>
> ponygurl
>

A 4 barrel carb and intake is a fairly easy swap. I prefer a Holley, some folks
like the Edelbrock. They both work well, cost about the same, and drive about the
same. Use whichever one your husband can tune easily.
You don't need much air flow for that small 289. 600cfm with vacume secondaries
will be plenty. A Holley aveneger would be the perfect choice, IMO.
For headers, I would choose one of the Tri-Y designs. That will give you the
best power band.
Changing the rockers will give you a little more lift. On stock heads with a
stock cam and relatively low compression, it won't be enough of a power improvement
to make it worth while. Instead, save the money for a good exhaust gas analyzer to
get it all tuned better.

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mustang sally wrote:
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> i absolutely love my Mustang. When my husband bought it for me for our
> anniversary, it was the car of my dreams. BUT...i don't know anything
> about it really, i put the key in and drive. (Blissfully!) Thankfully
> he's more of a gear head than i am. We've been looking into replacing
> the original 2bbl carb with a 4bbl (she's a 289 automatic w/ a new dual
> exhaust). So now i'm learning about CFMs. What can a stock 289 handle?
> How do i find out what the flow rate is with the current carb? If i
> drop a 4bbl in, aside from replacing the manifold, what else do i need
> to do? He talked about perhaps changing the ratio on the rocker arms to
> avoid doing anything with the cam shaft, is that an option? (i hope i
> repeated that correctly!)
> Also, while i'm here, is one brand of headers as good as the next?
> Patriot and/or Flow Tech particularly? What do the experts like and
> why? (in other words, how do i choose???)
> Thanks for the opportunity to ask my questions. Everybody's gotta
> start SOMEWHERE, right? As much as i love driving my baby, i want to
> drive FASTER!
>
> ponygurl


You'll be delighted if you just slap on an edelbrock manifold and 500 or
600 cfm carb (don't go above 600). Holley or Edelbrock again would be
fine. I'd just hunt ebay by searching for "500 cfm" or "600 cfm". Get a
clean used carb and you'll do fine. I've always been a Holley man, but
I'd love to try an edelbrock.

Then throw on a pertronix electronic ignition and you're set.* Really,
that's as far as you need to go unless you've got ideas about doing
street racing. You should be able to do it all for around $200 or less,
depending on how good a deal you get.

* It's kind of a pain to hook the pertronix to a good hot wire, and most
people hook it onto the coil, which is fine, but it's better to find a
hot wire elsewhere, which will require a little hunting.
 
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Thanks for the input folks! Hubby will decide between the two carbs and
will be putting one of them in soon, he's thinking probably the Holley.
The electronic ignition went in right before i put her away for the
winter, so i haven't really had a chance to check that out, or the new
dualies Santa brought me for xmas. (But she purrrs like a kitten in the
garage!)
No, no street racing in my plans, my drag racing/don't let the cops
catch me days are behind me. i just want to take good care of my baby
so she can hold her head up high when i'm driving her down the road.
The rodent saw his shadow this morning, so 6 more weeks of winter i
guess. C'MON SPRING! i hate driving around in the winter geezer
mobile!
Thanks again!

ponygurl
 
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On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:10:29 -0500, [email protected] (mustang
sally) wrote:

>Thanks for the input folks! Hubby will decide between the two carbs and
>will be putting one of them in soon, he's thinking probably the Holley.
>The electronic ignition went in right before i put her away for the
>winter, so i haven't really had a chance to check that out, or the new
>dualies Santa brought me for xmas. (But she purrrs like a kitten in the
>garage!)
> No, no street racing in my plans, my drag racing/don't let the cops
>catch me days are behind me. i just want to take good care of my baby
>so she can hold her head up high when i'm driving her down the road.
>The rodent saw his shadow this morning, so 6 more weeks of winter i
>guess. C'MON SPRING! i hate driving around in the winter geezer
>mobile!
> Thanks again!
>
>ponygurl

I went with the Edelbrock intake and 4V carb (both Endurashine), and
the cam that came with the set. (You can order each individually, or
order the intake and carb, or order all three). The Endurashine is
claimed to hold up to heat far better than chrome with no coloring,
and it looks sharp on the freshly painted block. So far, the engine
shop manager, as well as the restorer, and a couple of others have
already jumped to the Endurashine look. I also added an Edelbrock
spacer. Pictures can be provided if you'd like.
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1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
 
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You didn't mention what year the car is, but assuming it came with points,
I'll assume it's 65 to 70. I would probably first try to find a Ford 4100
series carb, since that's what was OEM. The advantage is the choke system is
much better. If you go this way, do not buy a rebuilt one from an auto
parts store, but look around for a dirty old core. Those are most likely to
have all of the original parts. Have it rebuilt by someone who knows what
they are doing. These carbs flow around 500 CFM and are capable fully
supplying your 289 with the air it needs. One of the aftermarket aluminum
intakes would be fine as a set of headers.
Good Luck
Bill
1965 GT-350 Shelby

"mustang sally" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>i absolutely love my Mustang. When my husband bought it for me for our
> anniversary, it was the car of my dreams. BUT...i don't know anything
> about it really, i put the key in and drive. (Blissfully!) Thankfully
> he's more of a gear head than i am. We've been looking into replacing
> the original 2bbl carb with a 4bbl (she's a 289 automatic w/ a new dual
> exhaust). So now i'm learning about CFMs. What can a stock 289 handle?
> How do i find out what the flow rate is with the current carb? If i
> drop a 4bbl in, aside from replacing the manifold, what else do i need
> to do? He talked about perhaps changing the ratio on the rocker arms to
> avoid doing anything with the cam shaft, is that an option? (i hope i
> repeated that correctly!)
> Also, while i'm here, is one brand of headers as good as the next?
> Patriot and/or Flow Tech particularly? What do the experts like and
> why? (in other words, how do i choose???)
> Thanks for the opportunity to ask my questions. Everybody's gotta
> start SOMEWHERE, right? As much as i love driving my baby, i want to
> drive FASTER!
>
> ponygurl
>
 
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On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:23:39 -0800, "Bill in Yakima"
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>You didn't mention what year the car is, but assuming it came with points,
>I'll assume it's 65 to 70. I would probably first try to find a Ford 4100
>series carb, since that's what was OEM. The advantage is the choke system is
>much better. If you go this way, do not buy a rebuilt one from an auto
>parts store, but look around for a dirty old core. Those are most likely to
>have all of the original parts. Have it rebuilt by someone who knows what
>they are doing. These carbs flow around 500 CFM and are capable fully
>supplying your 289 with the air it needs. One of the aftermarket aluminum
>intakes would be fine as a set of headers.
>Good Luck
>Bill
>1965 GT-350 Shelby
>
>"mustang sally" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>i absolutely love my Mustang. When my husband bought it for me for our
>> anniversary, it was the car of my dreams. BUT...i don't know anything
>> about it really, i put the key in and drive. (Blissfully!) Thankfully
>> he's more of a gear head than i am. We've been looking into replacing
>> the original 2bbl carb with a 4bbl (she's a 289 automatic w/ a new dual
>> exhaust). So now i'm learning about CFMs. What can a stock 289 handle?
>> How do i find out what the flow rate is with the current carb? If i
>> drop a 4bbl in, aside from replacing the manifold, what else do i need
>> to do? He talked about perhaps changing the ratio on the rocker arms to
>> avoid doing anything with the cam shaft, is that an option? (i hope i
>> repeated that correctly!)
>> Also, while i'm here, is one brand of headers as good as the next?
>> Patriot and/or Flow Tech particularly? What do the experts like and
>> why? (in other words, how do i choose???)
>> Thanks for the opportunity to ask my questions. Everybody's gotta
>> start SOMEWHERE, right? As much as i love driving my baby, i want to
>> drive FASTER!
>>
>> ponygurl
>>

>

I think it says in the Header that it's a 65
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Spike
1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
 
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I guess I need to clean the wax out of my eyes? '>)
"Spike" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:23:39 -0800, "Bill in Yakima"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>You didn't mention what year the car is, but assuming it came with points,
>>I'll assume it's 65 to 70. I would probably first try to find a Ford 4100
>>series carb, since that's what was OEM. The advantage is the choke system
>>is
>>much better. If you go this way, do not buy a rebuilt one from an auto
>>parts store, but look around for a dirty old core. Those are most likely
>>to
>>have all of the original parts. Have it rebuilt by someone who knows what
>>they are doing. These carbs flow around 500 CFM and are capable fully
>>supplying your 289 with the air it needs. One of the aftermarket aluminum
>>intakes would be fine as a set of headers.
>>Good Luck
>>Bill
>>1965 GT-350 Shelby
>>
>>"mustang sally" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]
>>>i absolutely love my Mustang. When my husband bought it for me for our
>>> anniversary, it was the car of my dreams. BUT...i don't know anything
>>> about it really, i put the key in and drive. (Blissfully!) Thankfully
>>> he's more of a gear head than i am. We've been looking into replacing
>>> the original 2bbl carb with a 4bbl (she's a 289 automatic w/ a new dual
>>> exhaust). So now i'm learning about CFMs. What can a stock 289 handle?
>>> How do i find out what the flow rate is with the current carb? If i
>>> drop a 4bbl in, aside from replacing the manifold, what else do i need
>>> to do? He talked about perhaps changing the ratio on the rocker arms to
>>> avoid doing anything with the cam shaft, is that an option? (i hope i
>>> repeated that correctly!)
>>> Also, while i'm here, is one brand of headers as good as the next?
>>> Patriot and/or Flow Tech particularly? What do the experts like and
>>> why? (in other words, how do i choose???)
>>> Thanks for the opportunity to ask my questions. Everybody's gotta
>>> start SOMEWHERE, right? As much as i love driving my baby, i want to
>>> drive FASTER!
>>>
>>> ponygurl
>>>

>>

> I think it says in the Header that it's a 65
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> Spike
> 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
> w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
> Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
> gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
> audio-video...
> See my ride at....
> Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
> Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg
> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
 
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On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:29:59 -0800, "Bill in Yakima"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I guess I need to clean the wax out of my eyes? '>)
>"Spike" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:23:39 -0800, "Bill in Yakima"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>You didn't mention what year the car is, but assuming it came with points,
>>>I'll assume it's 65 to 70. I would probably first try to find a Ford 4100
>>>series carb, since that's what was OEM. The advantage is the choke system
>>>is
>>>much better. If you go this way, do not buy a rebuilt one from an auto
>>>parts store, but look around for a dirty old core. Those are most likely
>>>to
>>>have all of the original parts. Have it rebuilt by someone who knows what
>>>they are doing. These carbs flow around 500 CFM and are capable fully
>>>supplying your 289 with the air it needs. One of the aftermarket aluminum
>>>intakes would be fine as a set of headers.
>>>Good Luck
>>>Bill
>>>1965 GT-350 Shelby
>>>
>>>"mustang sally" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]
>>>>i absolutely love my Mustang. When my husband bought it for me for our
>>>> anniversary, it was the car of my dreams. BUT...i don't know anything
>>>> about it really, i put the key in and drive. (Blissfully!) Thankfully
>>>> he's more of a gear head than i am. We've been looking into replacing
>>>> the original 2bbl carb with a 4bbl (she's a 289 automatic w/ a new dual
>>>> exhaust). So now i'm learning about CFMs. What can a stock 289 handle?
>>>> How do i find out what the flow rate is with the current carb? If i
>>>> drop a 4bbl in, aside from replacing the manifold, what else do i need
>>>> to do? He talked about perhaps changing the ratio on the rocker arms to
>>>> avoid doing anything with the cam shaft, is that an option? (i hope i
>>>> repeated that correctly!)
>>>> Also, while i'm here, is one brand of headers as good as the next?
>>>> Patriot and/or Flow Tech particularly? What do the experts like and
>>>> why? (in other words, how do i choose???)
>>>> Thanks for the opportunity to ask my questions. Everybody's gotta
>>>> start SOMEWHERE, right? As much as i love driving my baby, i want to
>>>> drive FASTER!
>>>>
>>>> ponygurl
>>>>
>>>

>> I think it says in the Header that it's a 65
>> --
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>> Spike
>> 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
>> w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
>> Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
>> gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
>> audio-video...
>> See my ride at....
>> Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
>> Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
>> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg
>> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg

>

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1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
 
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