Ford Forums banner

1 - 20 of 24 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
46 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
I just bought a car on the 23rd (HX Statesman DeVille, but that's irrelevant), and it's turning into a huge pain in the arse.
The previous owner told me, if I can organise a roadworthy within two weeks, he'd transfer it. If I couldn't he would just cancel the rego.
But the paranoid old bugger is with-holding the plates until I show him the certificate. Doesn't want me "tearing around and getting speed tickets sent to him".
I thought no problems, I booked it in at Cranbourne Roadworthy for next Monday morning. Then headed down to Vicroads to get an 'Unregistered Vehicle Permit'.

Gave the lady a piece of paper with every number I could find..

"The vehicle is still currently registered, I can't issue you a permit, they're for unregistered vehicles".

"So how the hell do I get it inspected?"

She must've been religious or something, she perked when I emphasized "hell". Then proceeded with a lecture about purchasing and transfering ownership of vehicles. Kept talking about how I can't buy a registered car with no RWC.

I want to get the plates, they're the old black and white ones. With the same rego number it had when new.
I'm about to take over the lease on the house (mums moving), so I can't afford to pay rego, and I'm going to need it on the road by the 12th of Jan.

Apart from going to the previous owner and trying to reason with him, and see if I can get the plates for Monday. Are there any other ways to legaly drive it to Cranbourne?

Cheers.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
461 Posts
The old bloke sounds like an idiot........ How can he legally sell a car and withhold the plates... Even if you speed through a camera, all he has to do is nominate you as the driver..... Go and demand the plates or lodge a complaint with vicroads stating he has sold the car and held onto the plates..
 

·
Just give me an excuse...
Joined
·
3,949 Posts
Exactly I agree with Devil CV8. Isn't the seller of the car to provide a roadworthy?? So since this would be an agreement He should just handover the rego anyways and let you take care of the rest. Simple as that. The seller seems like a total wank stain.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
46 Posts
Discussion Starter #4
When I bought it, we agreed that I would obtain the RWC. He said if I can get one within 2 weeks, we could transfer the rego. If I couldn't get one, he would cancel the rego.
He didn't tell me he would keep the plates (I paid for it and picked it up 2 days later). He must be worried about his citizenship or something, doesn't want a fine to turn up at his house, incase they drag him away and put him on a boat.

If the car is still currently registered, but has no plates. Can I still drive it? I wouldn't have thought so, because there's no chance they could make money out of me (cameras).
I can't really demand the plates off him, because he'll tell me where to go and cancel the rego.
Grr.
 

·
Just give me an excuse...
Joined
·
3,949 Posts
I dont know if he has the right to cancel the rego. You paid for the car you should demand the transfer of the rego. Its bull crap if you ask me. Demand the plates and the transfer of rego NOW...
 

·
AKA: Spaniard
Joined
·
848 Posts
I believe (pretty sure) it is possible to drive the car with no rego provided that you have lodged a permit with VicRoads. The permit is only valid on the nominated day or period.

The plates are actually the owners (AKA: the old guy). It's his choice to hand it over or not. Legally and technically, he doesn't have to.

Good luck buddy!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
46 Posts
Discussion Starter #7 (Edited)
That's where the problem is, I need to get the RWCert. to transfer. But I don't have plates to get to the Roadworthy centre.
And I think his mentality is that if I get the RWC on time, the rego is a bonus. If not, tough. It won't phaze him a bit, and he's allowed to do it. He'll just claim he sold the car without reg.
Devil CV8 said:
Even if you speed through a camera, all he has to do is nominate you as the driver.....
I tried explaining that when I picked up the car, he didn't want to know.

*edit*Spaniard, that's what I had intended to do. And why I wasn't so peeved when he held the plates. I thought I could just get the permit, get the RWCert. pick up the plates and drop a form into Vicroads.
But Vicroads won't issue me a permit because the car is still registered to him. And the permit is only for Unregistered vehicles.
 

·
AKA: Spaniard
Joined
·
848 Posts
How long has the rego got?
 

·
MK2 Escort 1300GT
Joined
·
618 Posts
Can you transfer a cars rego into my name without gettin a road worthy coz iam kinda in a similar situation. if i go in and cancell the cars rego all together would that leave me in a clean slate to get it rego whenever i want??
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
49 Posts
Couldn't you just make some plates up with the rego number for the trip in??? If you get pulled over then they only have to check with the sticker to make sure it is still registered.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,316 Posts
if you sell a car in vic with rego but no RWC the old owner is meant to hand the plates in to the rta pending a RWC.
Technically the rego is suspended so I dont know why they wont give you a permit
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
46 Posts
Discussion Starter #13
He hasn't handed the plates in, because he reckons they'll destroy them and issue a set of blue and whites, and I don't want to lose the original black and whites either. I'm nearly certain the sale hasn't been confirmed with the RTA.
I'm guessing that's why they wouldn't give me the permit.

I filled out the transfer form and dated it the 23rd. He took the pink copy and I took the original. I think his plan was to wait for me to get the RWC (within 2 weeks of the date on the form), give me the plates and then I go and hand in the form. So I'm on pretty limited time.
 

·
AKA: Spaniard
Joined
·
848 Posts
Pardon the pun, but does this drongo want to sell the bloody car or not? Doesn't seem like it. With someone like that I wouldn't even bother!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
46 Posts
Discussion Starter #15
The sale started rough, I paid him the money 2 days before I collected the car, told him to take the signs out of the windows and park it in his backyard.
The afternoon I went to pick it up, he was down at one of his lawn-bowls mates house... with the bloody car.
I spoke to his daughter-in-law. She said "Come back at seven".
Not: "I'll just call him and get him to bring it back".

The car's stock (original hubcaps including spare), with a brand new 90L LPG tank and converter, 308, auto. And it was damn cheap, with service records going back 10 years.
So the car is worth the trouble, he's just not helping at all.
 

·
Falcon 2.. Ferrari 0 hehe
Joined
·
1,290 Posts
Ive done that to ppl in the past
sell a car, with rego, but no rwc, if they can get a rwc within 2 weeks, they get the plates, if not, i cancel them, can you imagine some ppl if they get both plates, the wont need to transfer or anyting, can get speeding tickets in YOUR name, if they suply a false name, ur stuffed

u can still drive with no plates, the coppas will see that the car has got current rego, and just explain to them whats going on, i suggest you remove the front plate, and have a plate on the back....
 

·
Bourbon powered V8
Joined
·
4,751 Posts
Why not use a paper plate - pun intended. Big black texta on white background, stuck to back window should do the trick.
 

·
MK2 Escort 1300GT
Joined
·
618 Posts
when i bought my car it was just 10days outta rego and it came with plates as the guy didnt cancell it and i was still able to get a permit to drive it unregiterd. they told me to get a rwc but it is impossilble as the car needs Alot of work and i cant afford to do that right now.

if i go into vic roads can i cancell the rego for the guy??
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
581 Posts
The old boy is being overly paranoid but maybe he's been burned in the past??

There are only 2 ways a used car can be sold. Unregistered or registered with full roadworthy. The paperwork can be lodged as if the car has been sold registered and rwc, but with the rwc "inconveniently" forgotten. VicRoads will write to the buyer demanding a rwc within a set time or the rego will be cancelled.

There is no need for the old boy to keep the plates.

Has the transfer paperwork been lodged with VicRoads? If not, do it. That means you are the owner and the old boy doesn't need to worry about any liability etc.

Get the rwc. You can drive the car as long as it's only in the course of effecting repairs etc to make it roadworthy. Have a copy of the transfer paperwork on you in case the boys in blue decide to take an interest in your car. Most coppers are pretty reasonable.

So, the old boy wants to see a rwc before he'll give you the plates? Just humour him, as I've said before, maybe he's been stooged in the past or some other shit has gone down that he's had to wear.

Good luck.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
738 Posts
If the transfer form has been filled out, then the old guy need not worry about fines etc. All he needs to do is present his copy of the transfer form and they'll send any fines incurred after the transfer date to the purchaser. My sister got a rego renewal 4 months after she sold a car - the buyer obviously didn't put it back on the road. She just explained the problem and they stopped sending her notices.

As for the plates belonging to the old guy - provided they aren't personalised, they belong to the car along with the remaining rego. If he cancels the rego due to the stuff ups, then ask for some money back as you bought the car with the understanding it had 8 months rego. On a car that old this is a considerable amount - at least $300 worth.
 
1 - 20 of 24 Posts
Top