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Big Mick said:
Yeah, I'm yet to reach the next level and thus will only comment on my own experience.

The problem with the ChipTorque (and Tweecer for that matter) is that there are so few people in Aus who can do them (that is, have the ability to overwrite parameters in the EEC IV/V). Thus we are forced to aftermarket management systems such as Motech, Haltech, Wolf etc. etc, because these are a much more open platform and thus more tuning shops have access to them.

I know you read the forums based in the US and most of these guys that are running stangs from 10 to 12 sec 1/4 miles are using the Ford EEC IV or V as a base and using an aftermarket programmers to modify accordingly. We simply don't have that option widely available yet in Aus. Hopefully, with guys like XR9UTE, this wil change in the future.

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Plus the fact that changing injectors means either changing the MAF or replacing something in the MAF.
Now if someone like ebxr8240 wants to change injectors etc, all he has to do is either he changes parameters or his tuner makes the changes and away he goes, no mucking around with airflow meters as well. (Plus the fact that no airflow meters means he never has to worry about getting bigger ones. :s6: )
 

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We have to remember the Mussy is alot lighter car to our Falcons.Yes its bassically bang for buck. I'm not saying eec is crap. Like you said tuning is the real issue. Hell if you can't take it to you're local Ford dealer to fix then wtf ??? But as said yes in U.S Anderson Fordand the like will reburn you're eec for you at a cost ofcourse..Not saying map is better either just easier... U.S have FAST and their Gen 7's ecu's there too. Not nessesary to gain power but to keep engine from detonating esp with forced induction where tuning is more on the edge of destruction!!!
 

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damage181 said:
Plus the fact that changing injectors means either changing the MAF or replacing something in the MAF.
Now if someone like ebxr8240 wants to change injectors etc, all he has to do is either he changes parameters or his tuner makes the changes and away he goes, no mucking around with airflow meters as well. (Plus the fact that no airflow meters means he never has to worry about getting bigger ones. :s6: )
EBXR8240, If you don't use a MAF sensor then I suppose you use a MAP sensor? If not, how do you control injectors and A/F ratio?
 

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We have hijacked this thread alittle.
Can admin start another ???
Check my signiture... "HALTECH" !!!!!!!= map...
 

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i got 165 rwKw out of my EB XR8 With a uni chip ( the best bet for ford windsors ) 2 1/2 inch exhust and GT 40 manifold also a ford motorsport cam. I am doing a stroker for it now but it will be a daily driver for a while so i dont want any more than 220 rwkw. the trick is to get a good set of heads. if u are interested they guy doing mine is a guru, herrod motorsport are not as good if everyone thinks. the first time they build my engine they forgot to put gaskets in it.
 

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I guess everyone can make mistakes, but I don't think they forgot all gaskets, what did they actually do? Herrod Motorsport has proven itself to be a top quality company, many people on these forums have delt with Herrods and will vouch for them.

What mods did you do to get the 165kw, was it just the intake, cam, exhaust and unichip? If so thats quite a good result with the stock heads.
 

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94 ED XR8
347 stroker
Trickflow (TFS) alloy heads (ported)
Crane Adj Roller Rockers, hardened p/rods,guide plates
FMS E303 Camshaft
Edelbrock 5.0L upper/lower manifold
Edelbrock 70mm T/Body
K&N Filtercharger pod
Genie 1 7/8 Ceramic coated extractors, full custom 3" single system
Underdrive crank pulley
24 lb inj, 80mm maf
Custom tuned Chiptorque module tuned in REALTIME
321 rwhp or 240 rwkw
 

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I haven't been to a chassis dyno yet, but my 398 cube windsor stroker made 805hp and 705lb/ft at 6,000rpm on a Superflow 901 engine dyno. I have an auto box and a 35 spline spool 9" rear, so they will both drag a fair bit of power out. I couldn't really guess what rwhp it will make.
3.9" stroke
4.030" bore
6.25" rods
Vortech YS trim
8.5:1 comp
air/air intercooler
Motec

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holy shite that things a monster im guessing its not a daily driver
 

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Not daily, but often! :hy:
It runs fine on Optimax or BP Ultimate and doesn't overheat or foul plugs or anything. The Motec makes it drive like a much milder motor - until you hit the throttle...
 

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There are some killer combo's there fellas. All credit goes out to ya!

EB 5.6 - Tell us what exactly you did with your heads to get such outstanding rwkw's? I dying to know.
 

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hey svo347 how much did it cost to get all that done to your car and is it a dialy driver or not
 

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EB 5.6 said:
i got 165 rwKw out of my EB XR8 With a uni chip ( the best bet for ford windsors ) 2 1/2 inch exhust and GT 40 manifold also a ford motorsport cam. I am doing a stroker for it now but it will be a daily driver for a while so i dont want any more than 220 rwkw. the trick is to get a good set of heads. if u are interested they guy doing mine is a guru, herrod motorsport are not as good if everyone thinks. the first time they build my engine they forgot to put gaskets in it.
lets hear the story, which gaskets?? :wtf:
 

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I am unsure of what gasket ( think head on left bank as thats the one thats buggered, split bore and thats why i am doing a stroker might as well go the hole hog ) mistakes can happen ( and always to me ) and herrod have done some great stuff. love that arrows car. but there are other people out there doing as good if not better stuff. As for the heads, well if you are serious e-mail me as the guy who is doing my stroker as a genius and cant give away trade secrets, especially not mine.

Cheers
 

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Just waiting on Rob Herrods response to this post, will be interesting. I think you will find there are many companies around that do excellent work, but herrods have specialised in Fords and would have to be some of the most experienced and knowledgable teams around. As for trade secrets in flowing heads, that just comes down to experience, again something Herrods have plenty of.
 

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EB 5.6 said:
i got 165 rwKw out of my EB XR8 With a uni chip ( the best bet for ford windsors ) 2 1/2 inch exhust and GT 40 manifold also a ford motorsport cam. I am doing a stroker for it now but it will be a daily driver for a while so i dont want any more than 220 rwkw. the trick is to get a good set of heads. if u are interested they guy doing mine is a guru, herrod motorsport are not as good if everyone thinks. the first time they build my engine they forgot to put gaskets in it.
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Sounds like the the uni-chip was planted somewhere else and not your car! Assuming you are right and Herrod's did not put the gasket in, did they fix it for you? My experience with these guys has been nothing less that first class and they are the only people that give 110% CUSTOMER SERVICE BACKUP. Nothing is ever too much trouble and they are always willing to help, that is of course unless you are a persistent tyre kicker of constant pain in the ASS!!!!
It may well be that you need to be ripped off a few more times before you you appreciate what people try to do for you.
Better luck next time. :doh:
 

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Oh, so you were there, you know the whole story, sorry i should of thought of you before i put that post it in hey. look to all the people out there who are somewhat offended by what i had to say about herrod, sorry if i have offended you in any way shape of form. but the fact is that i am sticking to my words, what happened happened, no i did not take my car back there to get fixed, it is now in the hands of a very well respected engine builder. again i repeat for everyone out there, herrod have done some great work, i DO NOT QUESTION THIS, but they made a mistake which has cost me a lot of money, they are not the be all and end all of ford engine building. i urge others out there to look around instead of going straight to herrod. 99% of there work may be great but i was the 1% that was not. enough of taking a dig at me, i joined this ford forums to get something out of it, and not reply to people that do not know all the facts.

Cheers big ears
 

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I joined forum to get something out of it too. Like you I did not to have disputes. But don't you think good business practice would have been to discuss it with them and let them fix it properly assuming you paid for the work to be done?
Good luck on your next project. :AAHHH:
 
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