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Does this car come with an Alarm as std.

The brochure seems to say so, but never saw anything about it on the car

Can someone fill me in pls

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Yes the ST170 comes standard with an alarm integrated with the factory key fob. Immobiliser as standard on the whole range as part of the PATS system (Passive Anti-Theft System) with a high security immobiliser which I beleive cuts two circuits in the car when armed. The red light flashing on your dash indiccates the immobiliser is armed. ST170 also includes a perimeter alarm and interior sensors to detect window breakage or movement inside the car (sensors in the front interior light above the rear vision mirror) sounding the horn if anything is wrong/broken. This teamed with deadlocks on the doors for locked inside door handles even if the window is smashed makes the Focus a seriously decent little security system. But from what I know the ST170 definitely has the interior sensors (seen them myself at work when studying the options) and it is fitted with an alarm sticker on the driver's side window. Any ST170 owners want to improve on my description?!!

Read this link (at the bottom of the 2nd page) for details and to see if I'm talking like a dodgy salesman or a decent honest one :angel: http://www.fordfocus.com.au/home/press_releases/pdf/press_release_05.pdf

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whats the point of the whole dual locking mechanism thingamabobby. i mean...sure it certainly sounds like it secures the doors pretty good when i lock my car (in fact i liken it to a large bank vault locking with all the kachunks it makes, heh heh) but why do i have to press my key fob twice to lock it? in what realistic situation would i want to only engage the first locking stage? and why do i have to press the hatch button twice for the hatch to open? wierd i think....sorry i went off the topic a bit
 

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Hatch button is done twice just because it stops you accidentally bumping it, it's the least secure part of the car as there's no double lock on the hatch. Annoying but hey, it's a Focus. Wouldn't be Euro if it wasn't quirky.

As for the double lock, it stops your door being opened from inside if they smash your window. If you stay in it and double lock it, try to pull the handle and she won't open. The handle will snap before it budges the door. Just an extra security feature, physically deadlocks it. The bonus is when you deadlock it the indicators go off to so I always just press until I see the indicators go off, it's a visual thing and it reminds you it is locked. You can always just lock it once, still activates the immobiliser and locks the external handles but if anything adds protection to my baby from the random joyriding wanker then I'll press the damn thing twice :wnc:
 

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The VW system in the Golf is a bit smarter than that. If you don't want deadlocking you put the key in turn in and hold it and it makes a noise. This will either turn on or off the deadlocking. So it's either on all of the time or off all of the time. It saves having to remember every time.

Is this Ford system also in the AU and BA Falcons?
 

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Damn that sounds like a pretty serious system on the car there.

I wondered what those little things were on the interior light above my head when i was testing it, now i know, cool, im liking this car better and better everyday

All the ppl at my work like it to, they cant wait to see it as much as me hehe
 

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damned quirky euro cars
 

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yeah the Falcons have only single locking standard, but they come with the immobiliser also and a double push of the key fob will set off the indicators and beep the horn once to let you know it's armed.
 

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The only thing that makes the ST170 security system reasonably secure is the bonet has a matching lock to the rest of the car & requires the key to open. The siren has no battery backup & the alarm could be disabled simply by disconnecting the battery if you could get to it. I don't believe that the alarm has a perimeter sensor either. I will check to see if it has ultrasonics in the light assy. I am a bit concerned though about the double lock system as mentioned, because they are illegal in Australia as they could stop you getting out of your car if it developed a fault in a crash. I believed that the keyfob only has to be pushed once to lock the car & able the alarm & immobiliser etc, & a second push just confirms that it is locked etc by flashing the lights & no more. The red flashing light does noting & is just an indicator that turns on when the cars ignition is off no more. Just like many factory fitted stereos that flash a red led. The car stereo is connected to the alarm system & cannot be removed without setting the alarm off which I am dreding removing one day to upgrade. Ford has no information on removing the stereo, maybe its as simple as just disconnecting the battery first.

But the real problem is that I have been unable to test the audible alarm as you have to try & break into the car & steal it to set it of. You can only arm it when locking the car with the key fob, so how do you get in. Maybe get in the car & lock the car with key fob, or if you leave a window open & try & set it off by the ultrasonic sensors if they exist might be the way of testing it. Don't know I will have to try it.

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I assure you mate the double locking system works, wouldn't be illegal (Ford couldn't sell it if it was and it has been around since the days of the original Mondeo in Australia if not before). Pressing the button twice does activate the deadlock, try getting insode your car and opening the doors from the inside after one lock and then after 2 locks. It'll prove the point to you. I just go off what Ford advertises. It wouldn't be allowed to falsely advertise if it didn't have things installed. Try listening to the doors when you double lock it, it should make a second bank-vault sound, **** a thunk which proves it's locking. Double press again and the second time it barely makes a noise because it is already locked even though the indicators go off. The red flashign light is obviously a visible thing, does nothign security wise, but I believe it is linked to the imobiliser. As soon as you pull the key out, or switch the car off the immobiliser is set, locking the doors simply stop you from getting in. The Focus scored highly on NRMA security ratings and thus it must have some substance because not even Ford can fool the NRMA.
 

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All the VT commy's etc have double locking like that installed as well

And yeah wouldnt be able to sell it if it was illegal
 

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I'd imagine any safety concerns re: deadlocks would be nullified by the safety system which automatically unlocks the doors in the event of an accident. The VW golf did this as does the A-Class, so I'm assuming Focus does it to, along with fuel cut out/engine cut out.
 

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A similar system is used on our BA Falcon as well..... and on Common Doors and a number of other new vehicles. And no, they are not illegal.

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Just found out today the CL doesn't seem to have deadlocking. One touch of the lock button and the indicators flash once and it's locked, one more touch does nothing more than flash them again. With my Zetec a first touch locks it, no flash, the second touch locks it again (deadlock) with a double flash of the indicators. Checked a few cars on the lot, all the same. Seems the CL doesn't have deadlocking. Can CL owners confirm?
 

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i like the dead bolting, anything that makes my car less stealable is good in my books....although i wish the first press of the button would lock both stages instead of pressing it twice.
 

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yeah remember if u've got kids in the car u mightn't want double locking armed. Certain times you mightn't want it.
 

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yea, but im 20....im not plannin on kids for a while...plus its a 2 dr....if i had those needs i woulda bought a bigger car....like a falcon....which incidentally doesn't have the 2 press thing
 
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