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It seems on just about every thread there's an argument somewhere along the line regarding whether you can or can't detect the flash tuners. Now a simple direct question how many people out there have been "sprung" using them ( by Ford etc. ).
 

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you can or can't detect the flash tuners. Now a simple direct question how many people out there have been "sprung" using them ( by Ford etc. ).
hi i dont realy have anything to do with this but ive got two questions,what do you mean by detect the flash tuner(i know what a flash tuner is)and sprung using one by ford,why wouldnt you tell them you have one?
 

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Telling Ford that you have flashed the ECU will void warranty as the rev limiter is increased. But Ford could do the very same on the BF and it would be fine. In a nutshell, if they can get away without paying for warranty they will.
 

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It seems on just about every thread there's an argument somewhere along the line regarding whether you can or can't detect the flash tuners. Now a simple direct question how many people out there have been "sprung" using them ( by Ford etc. ).
My XR8 has been edited since January, my dealer does'nt even know what it is, they are still living in chip land, they look all over my ECU looking for wires!

If they don't even know what it is how are they going to detect it?

Obviously I have'nt been sprung, about the only way you could be is to leave the Edit in when you take her in to your dealer instead of flashing the stock Ford program back in.
 

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My XR8 has been edited since January, my dealer does'nt even know what it is, they are still living in chip land, they look all over my ECU looking for wires!

If they don't even know what it is how are they going to detect it?

Obviously I have'nt been sprung, about the only way you could be is to leave the Edit in when you take her in to your dealer instead of flashing the stock Ford program back in.
I took my typhoon in for the 3000 km check yesterday and the guy at the service department asked me if i was going to get the edit for it. He originally had the unichip in his xr6t and he changed to the edit and was really impressed. So i don't think you can just assume that they are all idiots who are ten years behind. Now i'll rephrase my original question, has anyone gone to make a claim under warranty and had Ford say "sorry but this car has been edited, we can't fix it under warranty" (even if you "flashed" it back to stock before going in). All i wanted to know is if this has happened to anyone out there. Thanks.
 

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I read on another thread that the dealer could detect it if, on a previous service, they flashed in an upgrade and then on the next service they found the stock program which had been flashed in before you took the car for that service. This is an interesting question and maybe one of the specialist tuners like Xtreme can shed some light on it.
 

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I read on another thread that the dealer could detect it if, on a previous service, they flashed in an upgrade and then on the next service they found the stock program which had been flashed in before you took the car for that service. This is an interesting question and maybe one of the specialist tuners like Xtreme can shed some light on it.
No, because when you put your custom tune into the car after they have put in the factory upgrade you will load their upgrade into your flash tuner, which is the tune you'll load back in for the next service. The original factory tune will be gone.
 

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I took my typhoon in for the 3000 km check yesterday and the guy at the service department asked me if i was going to get the edit for it. He originally had the unichip in his xr6t and he changed to the edit and was really impressed. So i don't think you can just assume that they are all idiots who are ten years behind. Now i'll rephrase my original question, has anyone gone to make a claim under warranty and had Ford say "sorry but this car has been edited, we can't fix it under warranty" (even if you "flashed" it back to stock before going in). All i wanted to know is if this has happened to anyone out there. Thanks.
Have you read some of the horror stories on dealer services and warranty work-they all sound like idiots to me.

And I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who's been sprung and is genuine.
 

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No, because when you put your custom tune into the car after they have put in the factory upgrade you will load their upgrade into your flash tuner, which is the tune you'll load back in for the next service. The original factory tune will be gone.
Mate,

That is exactly what happened to me...... I had her edited..... reflashed the original program back in when she went in for the clutch upgrade and new program......they did not detect anything..... then uploaded the new program which is now my default factory program...... Of course it sure helps when you have the Grand Wizard... Simon on your side.

I suspect I may be putting my warranty at risk...... but holy hell..... push that right foot down..... and IT is all worth it....Sex on wheels :shh:

cheers

Peter
 

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I have the stealth in my car and my dealer will warrant any issues that ford motor company won't in the event of a fault caused by the stealth. My dealer is a herrods dealer and this is one of the advantages of purchasing a stealth from a herrods dealer. All i need to do at service time is to leave the stealth unit in the car so they can upload the new firmware into the stealth as well as the car.
 

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No, because when you put your custom tune into the car after they have put in the factory upgrade you will load their upgrade into your flash tuner, which is the tune you'll load back in for the next service. The original factory tune will be gone.
Thanks FANTM1 for clearing that one up for me.

Cheers
 

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I could be wrong and hopefully someone will set me straight, but I thought the only time the "flashbox" uploaded the original tune was when it was pluged in the first time, that's when it is locked to that car.


I know you can go back to the original tune at any time, but I think it only keeps the original tune not any new dealer flashed tune.
 

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I could be wrong and hopefully someone will set me straight, but I thought the only time the "flashbox" uploaded the original tune was when it was pluged in the first time, that's when it is locked to that car.


I know you can go back to the original tune at any time, but I think it only keeps the original tune not any new dealer flashed tune.
Yes it's locked into the car through the vehicle id. There are 3 storage slots in the tuner. When you put the original back into the car, your stealth program is stored back into the tuner. When the dealer reflashes your car comp. it overwrites the original Ford program. When you get home and reload your stealth tune, the new/updated factory program is loaded back into your stealth for next time. It just shuffles programs back and forth.
 

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Yes it's locked into the car through the vehicle id. There are 3 storage slots in the tuner. When you put the original back into the car, your stealth program is stored back into the tuner. When the dealer reflashes your car comp. it overwrites the original Ford program. When you get home and reload your stealth tune, the new/updated factory program is loaded back into your stealth for next time. It just shuffles programs back and forth.

Not trying to be argumenative, but.................:priest:

I don't think the flash box shuffels tunes, they are stored in the box permantly in a selected slot until a tuner overwrites one of the existing tune slots.
The orignal tune is uploaded once and once only.
You can go back and forwards between tunes from the box, but the tunes stay in the same spot in the box.

I still think it only uploads the factory tune once..... when it is first plugged into the car, but I could be wrong. If any one with some facts can confrim this for me I would appreciate it.
 

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Not trying to be argumentative, but.................:priest:

I don't think the flash box shuffles tunes, they are stored in the box permantly in a selected slot until a tuner overwrites one of the existing tune slots.
The original tune is uploaded once and once only.
You can go back and forwards between tunes from the box, but the tunes stay in the same spot in the box.

I still think it only uploads the factory tune once..... when it is first plugged into the car, but I could be wrong. If any one with some facts can confirm this for me I would appreciate it.
That does not seem right. I understand what you are saying about the original tune and vin lock, But I have a question for you which may clear this up...

Q.. When you get the flash box it has for ports.
1. for factory tune (that port is empty when you first get the box)
2. Custom tune 1
3. custom tune 2
4. custom tune 3.........

Ok you have now received the flash box and you proceed to down load one of your custom tunes, now during this process the flash box extracts the factory tune and drops it into port 1. and then downloads one off your custom tunes. The tune that is downloaded into your CPU is no longer stored in the flash box, therefore that port is vacant

Months go by and then your car needs a service or a repair at a ford service department... and before taking your car to the service centre you flash back the factory tune..

While it is at ford the mechanic checks the tune code to see if it is the latest ecu software update from Ford. It turns out that there is a new update available so he reflashes your car with the latest Ford tune. In doing this your original tune is lost forever.

so now you have pick up your car from ford and when you get it home to proceed to reload your favourite custom tune. So now the process is repeated but the difference you have a new factory tune in your ECU.

So what happens now that you don't have that original factory tune.
It make no difference. The flash box extracts the new factory tune and drops it into port 1 and then downloads the custom tune of your choice into the CPU..

If you think about it Ratter the flash box only downloads and uploads it can not copy, which I think that you may think that it is doing...

I hope that this has helped you as I am more confused now then before I started typing this post.....

Matt
 

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That does not seem right. I understand what you are saying about the original tune and vin lock, But I have a question for you which may clear this up...

Q.. When you get the flash box it has for ports.
1. for factory tune (that port is empty when you first get the box)
2. Custom tune 1
3. custom tune 2
4. custom tune 3.........

Ok you have now received the flash box and you proceed to down load one of your custom tunes, now during this process the flash box extracts the factory tune and drops it into port 1. and then downloads one off your custom tunes. The tune that is downloaded into your CPU is no longer stored in the flash box, therefore that port is vacant

Months go by and then your car needs a service or a repair at a ford service department... and before taking your car to the service centre you flash back the factory tune..

While it is at ford the mechanic checks the tune code to see if it is the latest ecu software update from Ford. It turns out that there is a new update available so he reflashes your car with the latest Ford tune. In doing this your original tune is lost forever.

so now you have pick up your car from ford and when you get it home to proceed to reload your favourite custom tune. So now the process is repeated but the difference you have a new factory tune in your ECU.

So what happens now that you don't have that origan factory tune.
It make no difference. The flash box extracts the new factory tune and drops it into port 1 and then downloads the custom tune of your choice into the CPU..

If you think about it Ratter the flash box only downloads and uploads it can not copy, which I think that you may think that it is doing...

I hope that this has helped you as I am more confused now then before I started typing this post.....

Matt
Like you I'm getting more confused :beerbottl

I think it only downloads the different parameters of the tune that are different to the original tune, does not download a complete change of tune.
If what you a saying is correct, if I took my car to the dealer without changing the tune back to stock and they reflashed if for some reason (latest update) I have now lost my custom tune forever. I think the tunes stay in the box until written over by a tuner with the software to do it, when you reflash with your selected tune it just changes any parameters that are different in the ecu and keeps the tune in the flash box.

I think we need someone from capa to step in and clear it up :priest:
 

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Almost right as I understand it apart from the factory map.

I was led to believe that once the factory map is downloaded to the box the first time it stays there. It’s only copied back to the PCM when you flash it back to STD.

So “if” you flash it back to STD and then FORD re-flash your PCM the next time you flash it back you will actually overwrite the NEW ford flash with the original factory map.
 

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Like you I'm getting more confused :beerbottl

I think it only downloads the different parameters of the tune that are different to the original tune, does not download a complete change of tune.
If what you a saying is correct, if I took my car to the dealer without changing the tune back to stock and they reflashed if for some reason (latest update) I have now lost my custom tune forever. I think the tunes stay in the box until written over by a tuner with the software to do it, when you reflash with your selected tune it just changes any parameters that are different in the ecu and keeps the tune in the flash box.

I think we need someone from capa to step in and clear it up :priest:
If you leave one of your maps in the PCM when it goes back to Ford and they Re-flash it your Flash Box becomes a vegetable and will need to be sent to the states to be cleared.
You must flash it back to STD before Ford does any reflash.
 
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