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AusXH said:
I'm lookin at getting subs for the XH.

I'm thinkin of either getting two 400W 10"s or a single 500W 12".

What do reckon would sound better with four 250W 6x9"s?
I'd go 2 10". It all depends on what kind of music you like to listen to though too. 10" are more acurate and can provide tighter bass...
 

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u knew that I'd answer...Hehehe

Yo' seeming you've got 2 sets of 6X9's(ya like loud..!) U will need as much cone area you can get so go for the 2 10's ya got plenty of room in that pano for the boxes...got a amp to drive the subs?
If it was me I'd sell the 6X9's(sorry)and buy some decent coaxial speakers or some splits to go up front and the single 12...mmmm more amps!
Depends what U want sound quality or loud.
Jase_ELXR8 afraid thats an old wifes tale...
 

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Re: u knew that I'd answer...Hehehe

rolfy72 said:
Yo' seeming you've got 2 sets of 6X9's(ya like loud..!) U will need as much cone area you can get so go for the 2 10's ya got plenty of room in that pano for the boxes...got a amp to drive the subs?
If it was me I'd sell the 6X9's(sorry)and buy some decent coaxial speakers or some splits to go up front and the single 12...mmmm more amps!
Depends what U want sound quality or loud.
Jase_ELXR8 afraid thats an old wifes tale...
hehe, i had to wait for your reply ;)

Yeah, i'd probably prefer the 12" cause initially it's cheaper, and i can always add another.

Yeah i got a 500W 4 channel amp... that should do i reckon.

Why do you reckon i should sell the 6x9's? They were cheap and sound bloody excellent...

I was also thinkin too rolfy that if you don't want one of your prototypes, i'd think of buying one. I don't need it to be water/weather proof cause it's a pano :).

thanks for the input too Jase, i still havn't decided which way to go....
 

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Not a problem. Two tens will be your best bet.

Wire your two subs in parralel, and bridge them across the channels on your amp.
If you are unsure of how to "bridge and wire in parralell" ask the car audio store to draw you a wiring diagram and set up your amp, they can do that on the counter before you install.
If you have a panelvan or a sedan face your subs away from the front of the car, this will give the bass a deeper sound and a slight volume increase. If you have a ute or u would rather see the subs, face them in and you will feel a lot more vibration.
I believe this would be the best setup for you and gives quite a good result for the money spent. :)
 

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Not a problem. Two tens will be your best bet.

Wire your two subs in parralel, and bridge them across the channels on your amp.
If you are unsure of how to "bridge and wire in parralell" ask the car audio store to draw you a wiring diagram and set up your amp, they can do that on the counter before you install.
If you have a panelvan or a sedan face your subs away from the front of the car, this will give the bass a deeper sound and a slight volume increase. If you have a ute or u would rather see the subs, face them in and you will feel a lot more vibration.
I believe this would be the best setup for you and gives quite a good result for the money spent. :)
Any special reason why you reckon i should wire em up in parallel and bridge em??? I got a 4 channel amp...

Wiring it up wouldn't be a problem either...

And it's a pano too :)
 

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Yeah I'd go the 12" with beef lettuce and Tomato on the Parmasan & Oragano roll from Subways. Sorry but it was that or the U Boat answer,. :)
 

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I agree with rolfy.. ditch the 6x9's.. you think they sound good but it could sound better.
I got Pioneer bass bullet splits up front... excellent speakers.. cheap too.
6x9's should only be used for fill (if you run subs).
As far as subs go.... 10's are crap compared to 12's.... ive heard all the myths from so called experts... 10's are tighter blah blah blah 10's give you more punch toss toss toss.
A friend of mine has about $6000 invested in his system.. 90% of it Soundstream (very expensive)... he has 10's... and his amps are about $1600 each.... guess who's sounds better.... not the girly 10's thats for sure...
best $2000 i ever spent.
 

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If you are after volume, 2x10 will be louder than 1x12 (assuming the subs are from the same product line and the amp has enough power). Just wondering about the 4ch amp, 500w is that the RMS rating?? (not PEAK power yeah?)

I assume the 6x9's will be giving you nice midrange bass, but the imho 12's will be able to go lower to give that nice deep sub bass. Also most good 12" subs available today can keep up with punchy bass without problems.

Your best bet is to listen to a few 10's/12's and decide which type of bass you prefer. Then if you need more volume, you can keep adding additional amps/woofers as required later on.
 

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Have you thought about a 15" sub? For the price of 2 decent 10's you should be able to pick up a good 15" (about $300) and it will be louder.
It all comes down to taste, so listen to many different subs before you spend.
 

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The reason you bridge the subs is for more power. No need to run subs in stereo.
As for the comments on 6x9's if u have the money to buy better speakers do it, same situation with if u have enough money go for two twelves or like myself two 15's.
The equation for subs is simple (no matter what anyone tells you)
More cone area = more volume with same amp.
Smaller subs will always be able to run faster than larger subs when in the same size box.
Remeber subs sound TOTALLY different when in the shops display cabinet than what they will in a box in ya pannelvan.
If u would like me to reakonmend some good 10 inch subs that give good sound and volume for price i can..

If u are thinking you wanna go a little crazy?!
Amp up all your 6x9's on one four channel and on your other four channel amp run 4 10's.
If you put tens in a box slightly larger than manufactor reakonmended and face em backwards in ya panelvan, they will be able to run nice and low when ya cruising to a bit of Snoop Dogg but they will also be able to keep up with that fast double bass kick drum on your metallica album!!
Btw lucky you having a panelvan, WICKED for subs!!!
 

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It's this talk about size is relatively meaningless, if you don't consider the type of music and it's production that you're playing.
 

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With the talk about bridging you amp, you might want to check that it is capable of running at a lower ohmage, ie 2Ohms or even 1ohm.
If its not you may ru into amp problems. In terms of what subs to get I would go with two 10's depending on what you amp can handle. The best thing to do is to listen to some setups b4 you make your decision.
 

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In answer to a couple of questions...

-the 6x9's would be mostly 'fill'
-what do you reckon about a 2way 80w 6" splits for up front?
-the amp is 125w max per channel 250w in bridged mode i.e 2 channel mode
-the amp is capable of running at 2ohms

The sub i'm thinking of purchasing is a 12" 500w sony xplod unit and it's $189 in case anyone was interested. The 10" 400w units are $129.

I'm not after the best sounding system possible, just after something to give that extra punch to what i have.

BTW the music I listen to mainly consists of rock/heavy rock/alternaltive i.e incubus, sound garden, the mark of cain, powderfinger, tool, creed, pantera etc....

I appreciate everybodies input thus far...
 

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2 x 12" Xplods. Finally I have found adequacy! :s6:
 

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Nice choice of music AusXH
You could run 1 set of 6X9's for rear fill... its a overkill for SQ, but if you want LOUD go for it!!!
Just run them of the head unit speaker outs, and use the head unit fader control to reduce the power fed to them or you will pull the "front sound stage" towards the back of the van
These cars Xf-Xh can be hard to get decent size speakers in the doors because of the window winders(if Ford made them 1 inch higher...)the speakers must be pretty shallow in depth (55mm max)as they have to clear under the winder handle to fit in. I had to cut the door trims to fit 6.5's...but on the other hand the shape of the bottom of the trim lends itself well to door pods(the sunken in area is easy to match in with).Buy the best front speakers you can afford(and fit!)If you want to fit big midbass(8's)you will need power windows or be prepared to cut the doors...
With the amp you have run the fronts in stereo on channels 1&2 then run the sony sub off channels 3&4 bridged *must only use a single 4ohm sub for this!
Hope this helps fellow Xh'en!
 

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Having recently upgraded to my new XR, and having to re plan and set up my Stereo again I have gone into a lot of investigation to Subs and Amps..

I opted for a 12" Boston Acoustic Generator in a Sealed Box.
Powered by an MTX Thunder 500D Amp good for 775watts at 4 Ohm. What you will find by going with 10" Subs is that they hit harder and tighter but they lack the ability to produce low down bass notes and sustain long low bass.

A 12" will produce a longer lower heavier bass note which is why they are prefered by the Duff Duff boys in their Rice Burners... Mostly in Ported Boxes (The kind you hear comming before you see them).

The reason I went with my set up is that both the Sub and the Amp will produce Bass lower than the usual 50 Hz or 80 Hz where most Amps and Subs stop.

For Rock you will find 10" Subs better.

12 " for Dance & Hi Hop. Or if your like me they are great for Dire Straits, Pink Floyd which has long sustained Bass Notes.

You will find that the Sony's are not very loud as far as subs go.

I previously had 2 x 10" Sony Explods in Sealed Boxes in my ED.
Powered by a 2 x 200watt Amp.

In fact I still have the two Subs in my Rumpus Room. Only six months old...

Nipper.......
 

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Nah not yet...they are only the shape of the area and would need heaps of work to get them to a useable stage and the one that has had the most work belongs to me ute! It will be a long time coming yet...must fix roof and front fence first.(Before I die hopefully)
You could make a mdf box to fit the area with the sub facing strait up. Dont know what it would sound like I guess you could find out...if it sounds ok go to the wreckers and buy a second hand tray plate that you can cut out slots(or drill heaps of holes)above the speaker and place some sort of grill over it!
Bass with loadspace and no bolts needed! Unsure about the petrol fumes tho so you may need to look into it a bit...
Ps Ive heard a xf van with 1 10" sub...the low bass(40hz down) lift in these vans is big(sub was at the front middle of the tray facing backwards)
 

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rolfy72 said:
Nah not yet...they are only the shape of the area and would need heaps of work to get them to a useable stage and the one that has had the most work belongs to me ute! It will be a long time coming yet...must fix roof and front fence first.(Before I die hopefully)
You could make a mdf box to fit the area with the sub facing strait up. Dont know what it would sound like I guess you could find out...if it sounds ok go to the wreckers and buy a second hand tray plate that you can cut out slots(or drill heaps of holes)above the speaker and place some sort of grill over it!
Bass with loadspace and no bolts needed! Unsure about the petrol fumes tho so you may need to look into it a bit...
Ps Ive heard a xf van with 1 10" sub...the low bass(40hz down) lift in these vans is big(sub was at the front middle of the tray facing backwards)
Shame.... MDF will be the go then.

Yeah a mate has a 10" (i think) alpine in a box in his XF pano, and it sounds pretty good, but restricted i reckon.
 
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