By my calculations 3% of 5.5litres (AU) is 165cc which is very close to "one bottle"XR9UTE said:....... You only need 3% of it in your engine oil too. Unlike all these other crap additives that require one or more bottles. .......
I agree with Pete, they're a waste of time. I've seen engines die, because people have put additives in their oil and turned it into treacle. I've also seen the crap that comes off injectors when people think they can be cleaned with an additive. Additives are a waste of time and money and will more than likely cost you more in the long run IMHO...Aussie Pete said:Well, from where I sit, having done REAL fleet analysis on some of the additives out there, they are all rubbish. Use a good oil to start with and you will have no problems.
Additives - blllaaahhhhhh!
Unfortunately this generalisation about "snake oils" is the reason that EF will not get the recognition it deserves. Don't get me wrong I was exactly the same. I refused to believe anything was capable of reducing friction that much.Aussie Pete said:Right on Jase.
We had a number of trials and in one case on a heavy duty diesel the vendor was doing the testing and feedng us results. The oil tests showed great results, but I got to talking to one of the other engineers and we smelt a rat. We took an oil sample ourselves and sent it to Mobil for analysis. The metals were way high and the neutralisation number so far off the scale it was a joke.
We pulled the engine down after telling the vendor to take off. It was cactus! And I mean the crank was a throwaway for starters. $80,000 later we proved the stuff was junk.
Don't believe these snake oil merchants!
Pull your own head in!Aussie Pete said:
Now now pull your head in. It wasn't personal. Go study a book on tribology and tell me where 21+% comes from. I would believe smaller gains, but not this!
Whatever you think. Like I said, you have to look at it from the perspective of fundamental physics. Use the formula for friction between two lubricated surfaces and tell me how in that fundamental formula you get 21%.XR9UTE said:Pull your own head in!
Saying it's horse crap is just the kind of generalisation I'm talking about. You know nothing about this stuff yet you write it off before even seeing it for yourself because you lump it in the "snake oil" category.
That is head in the sand stuff!
The guy has it in the diff, gearbox and engine of his truck and it results in this increase in fuel economy.
(Aussie Pete cancels order for his new heads et al to substitute with a can of oil additive that gives a larger 21% gain..... :wtf: :whoaa: ) [/B]
Listen here dickhead, are you doubting that I would get 21% gain from EF additive. :s6: I was talking about ME, not YOU! :s3 :s6: :BW: My plans are in place and I am saving a fortune. Plus I'll get economy to match a four with the power of an eight. :shh:Homer? said:
XR9UTE never said it would make a 21% power gain. He said HE gained 18rwhp in his ute, and after reading about his car there is no way that this is a 21% increase.
All of what you say ignores the fact that some designs are more efficient than others. So,even if you did get a 21% reduction in friction doesn't mean you'll get a 21% reduction in fuel use.Aussie Pete said:
Whatever you think. Like I said, you have to look at it from the perspective of fundamental physics. Use the formula for friction between two lubricated surfaces and tell me how in that fundamental formula you get 21%.
I don't want to go into this any further other than to say at the end of the day, you can't argue with physics. Like I said we did a HUGE study on these sort of products, and NONE even came close to the claims (and we were being objective I assure you). Worst of the lot was a product called TOJO9000.
(Aussie Pete cancels order for his new heads et al to substitute with a can of oil additive that gives a larger 21% gain..... :wtf: :whoaa: )