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Toyota to run V8 Supercar team in 2002??

Read this in the paper this morning, I'm sure the on-line papers will have similar stories.

They plan to run a two car team, with Neil Bates (who is off contract as a rally driver this year) with rumours they are poaching a high profile drivers for the other spot. The picture shows an Avalon in stock trim.

As the current series stands, both Ford/Holden are running RWD 5.0L V8 cars. How does Toyota plan to compete then? I don't know of a 5.0L Toyota V8, and the Avalon is FWD.
 

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All they would have to do is choose either Ford or Holden floorpan and adapt the Avalon upper body onto it. The roll cage etc would make up the structural requirements. Then just use the same mechanicals.

Seriously though, Toyota shouldn't bother. Their cars aren't part of the performance scene and never will be while they pull themselves along the road!
 

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Toyota for next years V8's?

Some over at LS1.com has mentioned that Toyota will be contesting next years V8 Supercar series and that it was heard on some news channel, can anyone shed some light on this?

Don't know what the hell they will use if they do enter next years series, though I have some ideas......

** Hilux SR5 double cab,
** Echo Sportivo,
** Corolla GL,
** Camry 2.2L wagon,
** Avalon with a sport pack,
** Previa MPV,
** Prado 4WD.

Any other thoughts?:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 

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apparently they are using a avalon conerted to RWD, with a Lexus V8 engine.

I dont think they should go to V8 Supercars, like who is going to go for toyota! They are a whitegoods car maker, nothing can change that.

Plus, they do not have a production V8 RWD car, they shouldnt have to engineer them jsut for the race.
 

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Isn't it part of the rules that if any feature of a car that wants to be used in V8 Supercars has to be on a car that has had a production run of 500 or whatever it is.

why are toyota going to be allowed to bypass this rule?

Even if they can bypass the rule I think they should stay out of it.
The Ford vs. Holden war has always live on the public roads, toyota has never been a part of it, they're just not in the sam class.

Thats my 2c.

Paul
 

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I wouldn't mind seeing Toyota join the competition. Even if they re-engineer the car so that it conforms to the current standards, it would be good to see some variety, not that I want to see toyota winning, just be good to see them holding off the commodres, while the falcons move further infront:D
 

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AVESCO still have the final say, and if there is such a minimum 500 production run rule they may use that to deny Toyota.

Similarly, I remember last time this was raised, that Bitsamissing were also planning to run a V8 Magna?
 

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I wouldn't mind seeing other makes in the race so long as they meet the same criteria as Ford and Holden.They can't just build a car for the race can they, surely not.If thats the case you could have any bloody thing in there.
 

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Imagine the comments you would get if you were a Toyota fan who turned up to a race wearing Toyota motorport merchandise and with a Toyota flag. :D
It would be probably be the only thing Ford and Holden fans would agree on.;)
 

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If there is a rule saying you have to have a production run of 500 cars, then id like to know how the Commodore can race! Ford diff, 305ci Chev motor, widened front track to accomodate the 17x11inch slicks.

Still itll be good to see more than just cars on the track, maybe the magna can also enter
 

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I have never heard of this 500 production car rule.
OK we all know that the Falcon is the XR8 but what is the commodore V8 Supercar, is it meant to be an Exec, SS, HSV?.
 

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From the AVESCO Operations Manual

http://www.v8supercar.com.au/scsregs.htm

Family of a Vehicle means different series models belonging to one and the same production series of the same manufacturer. At least the number of vehicles specified in Rule C 2.2 for the category of Car with identical external general lines of the bodywork must have been produced in 12 consecutive months. The material of the bodywork and the wheelbase dimension must be identical.

All models must be available through the normal commercial channels of the manufacturer.

The general external lines of the bodywork may vary in the following details:-shape
and material of front and rear bumpers; front body panels, fitted to vehicles, of which 3500 are produced in twelve
consecutive months by the accredited manufacturers of Ford’s and Holden’s “Special Vehicles”;
removable aerodynamic devices (spoilers, wings, sill mouldings);
control and comfort equipment (sun roof, auxiliary lamps, door handles, exterior
mirrors, etc); and decorative strips and mouldings.


C 2.1 Technical Definition and Class

2.1.1 The requirements of this Division C apply to V8 Supercars, which are defined as large-scale
Production Touring Cars comprising a specialised class of 5 litre, Australian produced, right hand drive, four door Cars, fitted with pushrod two-valve normally-aspirated V8 engines.

2.1.2 There is only one class of Car – the V8 Supercar – with engines of up to 5000cc capacity fitted to Cars of which at least 25,000 examples, meeting the definition of “family of a vehicle” (defined in Rule C 1), must have been produced.
 

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I heard this on the radio today. Appart from the rule problems, Toyota officially pulled out of all motor sport to concentrate on the F1 project. Someone at a very high level within Toy must be impressed with the V8 series
 

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I read that AVESCO and HSV had gone cold on the idea of bringing in Toymotor 'cause they would lose the "tribal" theme of V8 Supercars. You're Ford or Holden. I personally don't like it. Be interesting to see an official Ford response...
 

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I will refuse to support V8 Supercars at all if they let Toyota in, it just goes agains all common sense, Ford vs Holden is so popular for a reason.
 
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