it'll never be as good as multi point fuel injection, but anything like that is better than a carb really.
One of the guys in a club I am in has it on a XY .. apparently it tamed it down, made more power and made it drivable.

 

What sort of $$ is it going to set you back?

 

Also, have a look at:
http://www.speed-technology.com/efi_throttle.html

 

Looking at the multi point setup they have, I wonder if a single TB or 4 little TB is more efficient??

 

Looking into buying a Holley Injection setup for my Clevo.

Anyone got this setup on theirs? Pro's? Cons??

ViGiLaNtE

Personally, i would use the pro-jection throttlebody and run it with something like wolf3D, Haltech, etc, etc.

The throttlebodies were advertised in Parts Peddlers for years at $495. They inlclude the injectors. The 950cfm unit is only rated to 500 hp.

 

I like the idea of running Fuel Injection. Add that to a good electronic ignition system and there would be some very easy starting.

How much do you guys think it'll cost to setup? Obviously you need to have a elec fuel pump, computer and throttle body, but does the fuel lines need to be upgraded? Do you need to use a regulator?

The fuel line in my XB is plastic, is this suitable? Also the return line for the Charcoal Cannister is there, but the diameter is smaller. Can this be used as the return line?

Finally, how hard would it be for me to install? The installation shouldn't be a problem or the wiring, but how do I map the computer? Is it possible to drive the car on a default setting and then get it tuned correctly?

Thanks Guys,

Simon

 

The holley computer is tuned via a laptop and is quite limited in features (ie. number of injectors that can be supported) so if you decide to upgrade later on, you'll need to junk it..

Last version of the holley computer I saw did not have any maps for a cleveland so even if you got it installed correctly and got it to run, it would run like shit until you had it tuned correctly on a dyno.

For the cost of Holley Projection, you would be much better off looking for a multipoint system (fuel rails etc..) along with a decent computer like wolf3d etc.. as xbgs351 stated to get the full benefits offered by fuel injection.

Even if you still want to waste your money (my opinion) on Holley Projection for your Cleveland you may run into compatibility problems with your distributor.

Once again, for the money, look elsewhere for fuel injection.

 

Personally, i would use the pro-jection throttlebody and run it with something like wolf3D, Haltech, etc, etc.

The throttlebodies were advertised in Parts Peddlers for years at $495. They inlclude the injectors. The 950cfm unit is only rated to 500 hp.

Holley Pro-Jection runs its own Computer.

 

Even if you still want to waste your money (my opinion) on Holley Projection for your Cleveland you may run into compatibility problems with your distributor.

Once again, for the money, look elsewhere for fuel injection.

I have seen a couple of Cleveland powered Falcons running with Hoelly Pro-Jection amd neither have had ignition problems. Then run MSD Ignition Units.

 

Holley Pro-Jection runs its own Computer.

But you can do it cheaper and far more effectively with an aftermarket efi system using the projection throttlebody as a throttlebody which also incorporates the injectors.

I had an analouge projection system but sold it without trying it.

 

I asked the guys at speed technology and the costs are OK.
Thanks to Steve @ speed technolgy for the following.

The following is for the CFI system.
Everything you need and estimated install/dyno costs: $5794 or so

For Multipoint System.
Everything you need plus install/dyno: $7194

The above include pricing for everything, fuel pump, injectors, computer, throttle body, but not manifold in the CFI quote.

You could probably do it for cheaper if you picked up second hand injectors, computer, pump etc.

The quote was broken down but I'm not going to post it on here cause I know Speed Tech wouldn't want any competition to know.

If you want some specifics, send me a PM.

Simon

 

$7194 or $5794
Wosers!!! Do you get a BJ with that?
Me and a friend EFI'ed and turbo'ed his capri using 2nd hand stuff where we could and that cost $3500, that's taking in to account everything down to the hose clamps etc. He even had a custom alloy inlet manifold made, it's pretty simple but it does the trick.
Seriously man do it yourself and save thousands. With a ink ECU there are only 9 wires to connect up and if you can deal with a sterio system you can install one of these. then it's the manifold to sort and an electric fuel pump. I have installed 4 ECU's and they aren't as complicated as you'd think.
Cheers

 

The quote inclluded a hell of a lot of things that I didn't think were necessary. IE lift fuel pump, swirl pot, main fuel pump, new injectors, reg, upgraded fuel lines.
For the MPFI the manifold, throttlebody and sensors/linakges is $1716.

Obviously a EMC, fuel pump and injectors are needed. add those things and do it myself and I should be close the $3500 you mentioned

Can anyone tell where to get or how much the EMC, fuel pump and injectors would be if I was to get them second hand. I check Parts Trader and it wasn't much help.

Simon

 

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43807&item=2479131641&rd=1

 

Siwren : You just found out why there isn't many EFI clevo's. The cost is way over the top. xacoupe a few others and another FF EFI member argued about it in a thread in this section of the forum.

The basic jist of the thread/arguement was the cost didn't justify it a worthwhile investment. For $7000 I could replace my carb (750DP) 14 times. I know I'd be happy to do efi if the setup cost not inc dyno/fitting was around $3000.

The FF EFI member produced the same power as me also running the same spec'd engine. So no gains there. Fuel economy wasn't comparable as he ran a manual and I ran an auto.

EFI is nice but definately not affordable by the average person.

Brenden

 

brenden just hit the nail on the head. A carb may not be as efficient but as for cost effectiveness, it can't be beaten

 

Using a Holley projection throttlebody (built in injectors), with a haltech computer, and a fuel pump from a second hand car should be possible for under $2000. This assumes you do all the labour yourself.

 

http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html

Or if you want to build your own!

 

http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html

Or if you want to build your own!

Problem is the megasquirt is limited power wise as the designer (or whatever) stated. I looked into megasquirt before seems okay for stock to mild engines.

Brenden

 

900 cfm pro-jection has 85pph injectors x4, wouldn't this make it capable of 600hp.
700 has 65pph injectors. I ran an analouge 900 on my 351 and it made heaps of power compared to the 750dp, picked it up for $400. It didn't kill low down torque as I expected it to.