I would prefer it stay N/A but the reality is that foced induction is a cheap way to make alot of horsepower and manufacturers are in the business to make money. If they could make a 5.4 with lets say 350kw and 600nm N/A, then I say go for it. I want Ford to release a beast with this amount of power, but If it can't be done naturally aspirated then I don't think they should not proceed just because they have to use forced induction.

 

i look at it this way............
IF the GTHO does come out Naturally Aspirated.. people can just bolt a supercharger on and already you got a GTHO-eater, then the fastest sedan in the world wouldn't seem as fast anymore.
I would prefer it to be forced-fed straight from the factory because like cobra said, its the cheaper alternative (instead of going 7.0Lt V10, etc) and also.. you can't go past forced induction these days for performance.

ChuBBz

edit: I also want to see quad exhausts (2 each side).. and also flared arches (wide-body design)... 19 inch wheels a must!!

 

The top of the line BM's, Mercs and Porsche's all have forced induction of some sort.

Sticking to some sort of idealistic perception of an HO is one sure way to increase costs for very little or no gain over a forced induction approach.

This is a New Millenium. I think we need a New Millenium Falcon.


Lukeyson

 

ChuBBz is right. It would be great to have a huge N/A engine. If FPV can come up with a great car that has forced induction and it feels and goes great then that won’t be too bad.

 

This isn't the 60's, manufacturers can't produce lumpy growling thirsty beasts any more. Forced induction is the only answer, for a number of reasons:

(1) There is no way that a highly tuned N/A Boss would be streetable for everyday driving, and in this market segment, there has to be plenty of refinement as well as outright grunt

(2) A highly tuned N/A Boss would never pass ADR & emissions regulations

(3) Can you seriously see Ford offering a 3 year warranty on an "at the limit" N/A engine?

(4) A larger capacity engine (think V10) will not fit into BA engine bay, let alone survive the beancounters for R&D expenses!

(5) A low-mid boosted engine will provide a superior torque curve, more refined power delivery, arguably better economy, and less mechanical stress, than a N/A engine with the same power/torque figures.

(6) You can't beat forced induction for easy power gains and a value-for-money upgrade path!

 

Nothing wrong with it all... go for it i say.

Now i don't know why some people think this is the easy way out, or it's the cheap way out... by no means this is a "cheap" way around making horse power.

Just ask David Flint and the engineers at FPV regarding costs for validating, evaluating and developing such an engine. Obviously these costs would follow onto other components of the car, such as gearbox durability, as force fed engines characteristicly produce power/torque lower in the rev range, so gearbox validation and testing would have to be carried out on such a configuration.

And as Sparkles has already said, there would undoubtably be benefits in economy, drivability etc...

If it was good enough for mad max, it's good enough for any of us!:disco:

 

Force feed the beast.

The figures should be similar to the 2003 Ford GT (aka GT40) as the engine is similar. Note these figures are similar to the F150 SVT Lightning

Power 372.9 kw @ 5250 rpm
Torque 677.91 nm @ 3250 rpm

In my opinion, the GT-HO should also be 19" wheels with 285 on the rear and 245 on the front, and be based on the GT-P. Have the brembo's, have the climate control.

Oh i'd LOVE to see twin pipes out the rear like this:
http://www.supercars.net/Pic?s=1&id...1253&i=0&p=2002_mercedes-benz_sl55_amg-1.jpg&y=2003&m=Mercedes-Benz&o=SL 55 AMG

hmmm i'd buy one for $85,000-90,000 ))

 

yes force feed.

i dont see a problem with supercharging it

 

i belive becuase Ford have made such a ripper in the XR6T that the car buying public would accept a supercharged GTHO in the belief it WILL be just as good as a xr6T. The XR6 has begun a psyche change in australians car buying minds i believe........

Also, to get the required power fit for a GTHO, forced induction is the way to go in terms of what Jem and Mr. Sparkle said

 

As long as it hauls ar$e they can do whatever they like, must be a V8 though is my only stipulation.

 

Well id really really like a GTHO that eats the hrt 427 for breakfast anyday of the week. But do Ford have any racing engines of the sort? I seriuosly think Ford can N/A tune a v8 to that much but it would be very expensice.

 

FALCON COUNTRY

I think Ford would want the GTHO to be attainable by most enthusiests of the brand, not just the racer breed, which the HRT 427 is intended...

I doubt Ford will go after the 427... Leave that up to herrods and the like.

 

Supercharge the prick.
Tell that 427 where to go and exactly how to get there.

 

Come on, where are all you purists out there! We're getting clobbered!

I guess one of the logical reasons for preferring N/A option is that of weight over the (already overloaded) front axle. Forced induction gear, (super/turbocharger) + intercooler WILL add more weight with obvious subsequent detrimental effect on balance and directional agility.

Strengthening the current motor for more revs, on the other hand, would not result in much (if any) weight gain. And surely, the difference in development and build cost between forced-induction and N/A options for a given power output (around 350kW/580Nm) would not be a huge one? Also, since HSV charges $100k for the 300kW GTS, I think Ford can use the difference ($40k per car!) to give us the ultimate atmo V8.

Ok, ok, I do admit to being a bit of a sentimental bastard, but my mental thesaurus somehow associates N/A with "honesty", and honesty = good, right?

 

Whatever, as long as it makes an insane amount of power and torque, I don't care.
If the GTHO came out with the all alloy supercharged 5.4 from the GT(40), I'd be wrapped. Same for a Blown version of our own Boss motor.
372 Kw...YES PLEASE.

 

I must admit I was a purest not so long ago. N/A or no way was my motto.

But having sampled a few S/C beasties in the last coupe of years I am now a converted man. Supercharging is by far the easiest way to get a HO to live up to it's name. Look at the E55 AMG. Absolute beast. It's supercharged.

A transplant of the GT40/'04 Lightning engine would be a great start for the development program.

 

I must admit i'm usually a fan of N/A engines, a high capacity engine with loads of go fast parts.

However, there are a number of reasons to go to forced induction:

- access to technology used in the GT40, lightning etc under the Ford US brand that FPV can get supercharging information
- technology input from Prodrive
- this is no longer the "past"; whereby forced induction provides an easy way of extracting huge performance gains against stroking the engine
- almost all of the "supercar" brands of the world have forced induction models that help it achive supercar status
- a supercharged GTHO would join that very group!

Usually i would say stay N/A, but adding superchargers would make it an absolute beast!

 

yikes, Imagine what a herrod modified s/c gtho would be capable of ....

 

found some info about the 2004 f150 SVT lightning i didn't know...

new SUPERCOOLER TECHNOLOGY
"Coletti's team fit the SVT Lightning concept with an all-aluminum, 5.4-liter DOHC supercharged and intercooled V-8 engine conservatively rated at 500 horsepower and 500 foot pounds of torque (SAE net). And while they were at it, they invented and patented a speed secret for those times when even that much power just isn't enough.

Ford's patented SuperCooler technology cleverly provides a special burst of power for the SVT Lightning concept. Traditional intercoolers dissipate heat from the supercharged air by circulating coolant through a front-mounted, air-cooled radiator. With the SuperCooler system, the vehicle's air conditioning system is used to chill a small storage tank of coolant to about 30 degrees Fahrenheit.

On demand, the SuperCooler system switches the intercooler flow from its normal circulation and dumps the chilled coolant into the engine's intercooler. In turn, the intercooler dissipates up to 20 percent more heat from the charge air - resulting in a denser air charge.

A green light on the instrument panel indicates the system's readiness. SuperCooler is activated automatically when the driver depresses the accelerator to a wide-open-throttle position.

This technology plays directly into the hands of the enthusiast, Coletti says. The SuperCooler provides the edge for the driver, and it is done simply by taking advantage of the hardware that already exists in the vehicle.

As a result of this cool technology, the SVT Lighting concept can give its driver as much as 50 transient horsepower for short bursts of 30-45 seconds and regenerate within 2 minutes under normal driving conditions. While its effect is similar to that of an aftermarket nitrous oxide system, the SuperCooler is completely self-contained, environmentally friendly and regenerative."

Hope ford Aus. utilize this one day!!

Edit: one thing that troubles me is that BOTH the gt(40) and the SVT lightning have top-mounted superchargers - Don't see that happening to a falcon.

 

Edit: one thing that troubles me is that BOTH the gt(40) and the SVT lightning have top-mounted superchargers - Don't see that happening to a falcon.

I can see it happening plain as day! It's the ONLY place a supercharger will fit in the Falcon engine bay without some serious re-engineering of the engine bay.
There is a massive space in the valley of the DOHC heads where a screw supercharger would fit quite nicely without much modification (if anything) to the bonnet bulge at all.

 

A supercharged GT-HO would be very nice indeed......


Sipheren

 

I also used to be a N/A fan but i think the HO needs a supercharger to give it the immortality and individuallity a HO deserves!!
where was it ever written in the HO bible that they must be n/a?? its just that back in the 60s/70s superchargers were not a common way of extracting power

instead of thinking of a HO as a GT with a few more kws under its belt the HO would be known as the supercharged car
just as most of the public know the xr6 turbo is a force to be reckoned with they dont know how many kws it is they just remember the turbo and think fast.
same goes for a HO they will just remember the supercharged bit
and know its king of the castle.

 

I also used to be a N/A fan but i think the HO needs a supercharger to give it the immortality and individuallity a HO deserves!!
where was it ever written in the HO bible that they must be n/a?? its just that back in the 60s/70s superchargers were not a common way of extracting power

instead of thinking of a HO as a GT with a few more kws under its belt the HO would be known as the supercharged car
just as most of the public know the xr6 turbo is a force to be reckoned with they dont know how many kws it is they just remember the turbo and think fast.
same goes for a HO they will just remember the supercharged bit
and know its king of the castle.

There were a few American Muscle cars that came with Super Chargers dating back to the 50's. The early Thunderbirds were available with a Paxton Super Charger fitted to the Y-Block V-8.

In the 60's it was a common option to put a Super Charger on the Shelby GT-350 Mustangs.

 

I can see it happening plain as day! It's the ONLY place a supercharger will fit in the Falcon engine bay without some serious re-engineering of the engine bay.
There is a massive space in the valley of the DOHC heads where a screw supercharger would fit quite nicely without much modification (if anything) to the bonnet bulge at all.

:cheer: Awesome! thanks for clearing that up. I would have thought everything was seriously tight under there

 

I would prefer N/A but if a blower is the best way to get the numbers so be it