[SPALDING GREEN]

You truely are an idiot.

For my denying something, adamantly, backing up another forum member and standing for what I beleive would make good racing, not the 15 lap+ farce that this event is and always has been, ruining bathurst's reputation; you say that there is truth to the fact that it's a completely level playing ground, the "monaro" has NO advantages nor disadvantages with the field of competitors, and the russellw is lying.

Parity is not something to have a grey area. You either have it or you don't, and two cars, smashing the rest of their competitor (at least where I come from) is not parity.

Now are you going to reply properly or just sit back and provoke?

Greg Murphy's qualifying lap & race win at Bob Jane 1000 is a good example of a teams ability to produce a very fast car in a category generally regarded as now having parity. Do you think that it's possible the same thing has happened for the 24hr race ? Do you think if say the drivers in the mosler were driving the 2nd monaro it would have been such a close finnish? I definately don't, but that's just speculation.

 

[Axeman82]

The Monaro's suit Bathurst so much that if you levelled the playing there, the Monaro's would never win a race on any other track. Until someone puts in the effort to build another "eligible" Bathurst special, they will probably win it next year.

The quote above is the whole truth....

Stokel (Lambo) and Bowe (Ferrari 360GT) are currently leading the Procar series by substantial margins.. However the Monaro's (cars, drivers and pit teams) know and suit Bathurst so well that they are expected to do well.

My young opinion anyway..

Dan..

 

[xacoupe]

I took the liberty of contacting CSV regarding the 7L Monaros that were supposedly being prepared for them by GRM.
As cancerman said, they will produce their own 7L GenIII and have not sold one of the monaros in question. So we are still in the position of it never being produced.
Feel free to contact Gary at CSV and he will confirm what I have said.
I am not calling anyone a liar, I am just telling them they are wrong

 

[MaverickLS1]

I thought it was a GenIII block, not a C5R.

 

[xacoupe]

. Finally I have a ford in the driveway before anyone goes and calls me a Holden freak or whatever.

I have a VT commode amongst my cars so I am not a one eyed ford supporter either. :zzz:

 

[xageetee]

I thought it was a GenIII block, not a C5R.

Everything I've read on the 427 Monaro says C5R, which is still a Gen 3 block, but a specially cast version with extra meat, to avoid any problems with increasing bore and stroke. CSV - don't know whether its a C5R, in an issue of AMC they list a number of places who will supply none C5R Gen 3 blocks that will cope with 400+ cubes without leaking water into the bores.

 

[Brendan]

Everything I've read on the 427 Monaro says C5R, which is still a Gen 3 block, but a specially cast version with extra meat, to avoid any problems with increasing bore and stroke. CSV - don't know whether its a C5R, in an issue of AMC they list a number of places who will supply none C5R Gen 3 blocks that will cope with 400+ cubes without leaking water into the bores.

C5-R engines are made by Katech Engines for GM motorsport.

www.katechengines.com

Interesting story here http://www.v8central.com/procar/racenews.asp?newsitem=159

Suggests there will be a Monaro in the British GT championship next year with the view to it running Le Mans.

What would that do to the legitimacy if there was a Monaro on the grid at Le Mans next year? Surely they can't be bought by Holden?

 

[xacoupe]

Interesting story here http://www.v8central.com/procar/racenews.asp?newsitem=159

Suggests there will be a Monaro in the British GT championship next year with the view to it running Le Mans.

What would that do to the legitimacy if there was a Monaro on the grid at Le Mans next year? Surely they can't be bought by Holden?

relevance to this argument?????
If they get a monaro on the grid we will then have to be prepared for all the Europeans asking the same questions.

 

[JEM]

the funniest thing about all this Monaro 427 stuff is, all the holden guys are still calling this thing a Monaro!

This thing is a custom built RACE car, not a monaro... Please, anybody, tell me what is there about this car other than the shell that is remotely similar to a monaro that makes the holden guys cream their dacks over news (racing at LeMan) like this??

I must be missing the point..

 

[98Club]

Jem,
Please stop generalising like "all the holden guys are still calling this thing a Monaro!". I'm a Holden guy, and every time I heard the commentators call it a CV8, or say "go buy a Monaro" I cringed. I'm sure many other Holden guys did too.

What it is though, is a very quick race car, that was prepared and run by a very professional team.

 

[AU1XR8]

...Ross Palmer is doing the best he can with the people who are interested in actually putting a car on the track - bearing in mind that this isn't a cheap exercise - if Holden are willing to throw money at them, good on em for taking their motorsport seriously - Ford have found out the hard way that a hot and cold attitude just doesn't work in the long run.

I think you will find that Ross Palmer actually owns one if not both of the Monaros, the cars are only prepared by GRM.

Is it any wonder they are elligible??

 

[all4ford]

It's quotes like this that sh_t me. This was taken from the Daily Telegraph put in there by Holden.

"Monaro for the second year running, the holden monaro has won the Bathurst 24 Hour Race and beaten race cars from some of the worlds most famous automotive marques including Porsche, BMW, Lamborghini and Ferrari. This year's Bathurst 24 Hour victory was made even sweeter by Monaro's 1st and 2nd placings. No Wonder the world can't wait to get their hands on the holden monaro."

For those of you who didn't see this, it was shown with a big picture of the two competing cars.

That is false advertising and complete bull S_it.

Not to mention that who ever wrote this caption needs to take a lesson in punctuation. LOL

 

[xageetee]

It's quotes like this that sh_t me. This was taken from the Daily Telegraph put in there by Holden.

"Monaro for the second year running, the holden monaro has won the Bathurst 24 Hour Race and beaten race cars from some of the worlds most famous automotive marques including Porsche, BMW, Lamborghini and Ferrari. This year's Bathurst 24 Hour victory was made even sweeter by Monaro's 1st and 2nd placings. No Wonder the world can't wait to get their hands on the holden monaro."

For those of you who didn't see this, it was shown with a big picture of the two competing cars.

That is false advertising and complete bull S_it.

Not to mention that who ever wrote this caption needs to take a lesson in punctuation. LOL

So if Marcus or Murph win the V8 Supercar championship neither Ford nor Holden would dare to say a Falcon or Commodore was used because they don't use engines that the production cars have or 9" diffs, fabricated suspension etc.

Its called marketing/advertisement/product placement - Ford would do the same in the same situation - and they will when Ambrose wins on the weekend - I doubt you'll be complaining too much about it then.

 

[JEM]

Jem,
Please stop generalising like "all the holden guys are still calling this thing a Monaro!". I'm a Holden guy, and every time I heard the commentators call it a CV8, or say "go buy a Monaro" I cringed. I'm sure many other Holden guys did too.

What it is though, is a very quick race car, that was prepared and run by a very professional team.

ok, i was a bit vague, i should've said all the Holden guys that have posted in the LeMan thread on LS1, they all seem to think its their beloved holden monaro cv8 going around the track, i know many of the guys on LS1 are obviously educated enough on this topic to know that is not the case, but they continue to talk in this way...

I totally agree with you on your last phrase..

 

[all4ford]

So if Marcus or Murph win the V8 Supercar championship neither Ford nor Holden would dare to say a Falcon or Commodore was used because they don't use engines that the production cars have or 9" diffs, fabricated suspension etc.

Its called marketing/advertisement/product placement - Ford would do the same in the same situation - and they will when Ambrose wins on the weekend - I doubt you'll be complaining too much about it then.

ok i will admit that I wouldn't complain if they do it because those cars are widely accepted as being different from there production versions and is said. They don't go watch out for the Ford Falcon XR8 or the Holden Commordore SS like the Monaro CV8.

Regardless of what holden and ford do I don't see how an advertisement like this is not in breach of the trade practices act as being misleading or deceptive.

 

[AlbertM]

I am yet to see any ad by Ford that relates V8SC directly to the road models. Unlike Holden.

I found the ad amusing. A poor bastard buys a CV8 thinking it the same one from the 24hr, lines it up to the first Porsche he see's and gets his ass handed to him on a platter.

 

[bystander]

ok i will admit that I wouldn't complain if they do it because those cars are widely accepted as being different from there production versions and is said. .

Wrong. If what you say is true, what about the recent survey by Mitsubishi (?) which asked the public if they thought the v8 supercars were the same cars as you buy in the dealer. If i'm not wrong, 85% of the people answered yes. Clearly people also see these cars as the same, just like the monaro...

Edit: Found the survey: http://www.fordforums.com/showthread.php?t=53186

So if it is "said" that these cars are different, why does John Q. Public not know this. Looks like both ford and holden need to make the public more aware.

They don't go watch out for the Ford Falcon XR8 or the Holden Commordore SS like the Monaro CV8.

As above, they dont have the SS or XR8 titles, but people obviously see the same cars. So i really think them tacking CV8 on the end of the monaro name is clearly irrelevant.

Regardless of what holden and ford do I don't see how an advertisement like this is not in breach of the trade practices act as being misleading or deceptive

I'm rolling my eyes now...If Ambrose wins this weekend, and I see a Ford ad claiming that the XR8 - or even a falcon - won the championship I expect you would feel the same about it?

 

[Black LS1]

No more than they would be if Ford wanted a shot.

Its just they are either lazy or gutless.

Take that coupe they designed not long ago. What ever happened to that? Great car, but no drive from the bosses.

Damn striaght, the Car is amazing no surprise it will be in Le Manz it has such high speeds and grips to the road very well

 

[all4ford]

That survey was probably done at the local primary school.

And hey do I care if your rollin your eyes now.

And if I will wait till I see the ads okay.

 

[bystander]

That survey was probably done at the local primary school.

And hey do I care if your rollin your eyes now.

And if I will wait till I see the ads okay.

Nice reply. Do you honestly think Mitsubishi would get a market research firm to do a survey about cars - with the intension of joining the series - and only survey primary school students.